FUBAR-BDHR Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I see a lot of people both in game and the forums complaining about liches. Well I complain about them to but only because of the bugs and insta-kill thrall spawns. As far as the process it's really not hard to acquire a lich and defeat it. I can do one in about 2 hours give or take depending on if I get a lucky guess or not. So far I've defeated 80 of them. That's right 80 liches. Don't belive that well have a look: So what are my tricks to farming them so fast? First do the longer missions. Survival, mobile defense and defense are the best way to get murmurs. Running though capture and exterminate real fast is not the way to do it. You want to give those liches time to spawn. Second never pass up a lich spawn. Always try. It's worth about 10 murmurs if you fail. You also might get lucky and uncover a requiem in the process. In case you are wondering it took 67 liches to get all the ephemeras. Only took about 20 to get all the toxic weapons. I'm not working on getting one of every damage type. I have 36 different ones so far. Good hunting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)sister-hawk Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) For me the biggest problem with the lich grind is getting all of the requiems first before you can even really do anything to them. Once that is out of the way, admittedly it’s not so bad. However what I really don’t like is dealing with level 4 and 5 liches. So for me the murmur grind is a little more tedious, since I carefully plan to not allow my lich beyond level 3 until I know the sequence. I just refuse to play level 100 missions over and over because at that level the game ceases to be fun and becomes “use the meta or suffer.” And I don’t like metas. Edited January 1, 2020 by (PS4)sister-hawk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reifnir Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, FUBAR-BDHR said: I can do one in about 2 hours give or take depending on if I get a lucky guess or not. So far I've defeated 80 At a casual rate of 2 hours per day, that's 80 days of nothing but murmur farming to get a bunch of sidegrade mastery fodder and some cosmetics. Nope, it's still a bad grind overflowing with RNG. Don't defend it, please, it needs fixing, not praising. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844448 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: I just refuse to play level 100 missions over and over because at that level the game ceases to be fun and becomes “use the meta or suffer.” And I don’t like metas. Or, you know, mod well and get good. I did my level 5 lich using Nyx without arcanes and no problem. Doesn't PS4 has kb + m support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloItIsIJimbles Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Not hard, just wicked boring. People where hoping the liches would be somthing more then just another grind with guess and check mechanics. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMonkey Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, FUBAR-BDHR said: I see a lot of people both in game and the forums complaining about liches. "They're too difficult to beat" is not one of the major complaints, however. Feels like you were looking for an excuse to brag. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I can do that, but I think getting killed even when you win the fight is stupid, so I'd rather not do that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Difficulty isn't the issue, it's boredom. Every step of lich hunting is completely recycled without any meaningful new elements besides the RNG on the requiem combo. It's tedious and the reward itself has two random elements in weapon and percentage. It's just running normal missions without other rewards over and over except you have to press X on some killed enemies. And then doing fissures, same as ever, to get the requiems. I guess they're on kuva fortress, that's... the extent of the "new" gameplay involved? Returning to a severely neglected tileset? Edited January 1, 2020 by OvisCaedo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBAR-BDHR Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, (PS4)sister-hawk said: For me the biggest problem with the lich grind is getting all of the requiems first before you can even really do anything to them. Once that is out of the way, admittedly it’s not so bad. However what I really don’t like is dealing with level 4 and 5 liches. So for me the murmur grind is a little more tedious, since I carefully plan to not allow my lich beyond level 3 until I know the sequence. I just refuse to play level 100 missions over and over because at that level the game ceases to be fun and becomes “use the meta or suffer.” And I don’t like metas. You get the requiems faster by trying to kill the liches. Getting them first takes more time. The level 100 missions are still easy. Granted those level 130 nox thralls are a PIA. If you have trouble with the level 100 missions get in a group. When I have a tough level 5 I just keep trying systems and canceling the countdown if there isn't an open group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBAR-BDHR Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, HelloItIsIJimbles said: Not hard, just wicked boring. People where hoping the liches would be somthing more then just another grind with guess and check mechanics. It's not too boring. Mission rewards could be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUBAR-BDHR Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, OvisCaedo said: Difficulty isn't the issue, it's boredom. Every step of lich hunting is completely recycled without any meaningful new elements besides the RNG on the requiem combo. It's tedious and the reward itself has two random elements in weapon and percentage. It's just running normal missions without other rewards over and over except you have to press X on some killed enemies. And then doing fissures, same as ever, to get the requiems. I guess they're on kuva fortress, that's... the extent of the "new" gameplay involved? Returning to a severely neglected tileset? Doing things over and over is pretty much warframe. Even the railjacks are that way. What 3 mission types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaer88 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The Kuva Lich System is challenging in a way that you have to keep yourself motivated to farm murmurs for hours on end and then regain the same motivation the next day, and for what? So I can have a chance to get a weapon that I already own which might be slightly better or totally worse. And I can't be bothered, I'd rather play something else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadgame Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 What's hard about it is getting enough motivation to go through the whole process of capturing/killing a lich when you know beforehand that your reward is locked to S#&$ tier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Matter Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 No one said it is hard. It is tedious and boring and unrewarding. Sure you can kill 80 liches if you have no life. But then, most people do have lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaer88 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, White_Matter said: No one said it is hard. It is tedious and boring and unrewarding. Sure you can kill 80 liches if you have no life. But then, most people do have lives. Some people value their time more than others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 41 minutes ago, 844448 said: Or, you know, mod well and get good. I did my level 5 lich using Nyx without arcanes and no problem. Doesn't PS4 has kb + m support? "I'm using literally invincible frame and no problem" Yeah, yeah... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
844448 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Test-995 said: "I'm using literally invincible frame and no problem" Yeah, yeah... What invincible? Even without that assimilate augment Nyx can do things excellently if you know how to use her beyond using assimilate and press 4 to be a snail paced walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, 844448 said: What invincible? Even without that assimilate augment Nyx can do things excellently if you know how to use her beyond using assimilate and press 4 to be a snail paced walker Then i'm just saying she isn't really good example for that, it's no different from saying "i'm using invis frames and no problem". You should use banshee next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)sister-hawk Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, 844448 said: Or, you know, mod well and get good. I did my level 5 lich using Nyx without arcanes and no problem. Doesn't PS4 has kb + m support? Bruh don’t even try that lame crap with me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadwire Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It's tedious and boring. I quit on my 2nd lich. And now i got 1 more linger around. At least he is indifferent... and welcoming.. unlike lotus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirageKnight Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) On 2019-12-31 at 7:07 PM, 844448 said: get good Oh yes, the so-called "solution" to every problem in the game...try and grab whatever's meta for dealing with enemy X and apply cheese until dead. If you don't have what's meta, you're a bad player for not being savvy enough and you're doing it wrong. Well...It's rather hard to "git gud" when the game decides to roll dice and then screw you over because you rolled bad or the game said so. See Lich Roulette. Edited January 2, 2020 by MirageKnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaer88 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Dreadwire said: It's tedious and boring. And unrewarding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OvisCaedo Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, FUBAR-BDHR said: Doing things over and over is pretty much warframe. Even the railjacks are that way. What 3 mission types? I agree, railjack is also terrible boring content though I can at least grant that at least the gameplay involved is actually something new, unlike liches Edited January 1, 2020 by OvisCaedo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skaleek Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Who said liches are hard? They're unrewarding. 2 hour investment for a potential nothing. Use your head. Coulda used that 160 hours you spent farming 80 liches to do something useful like farm plat. Edited January 1, 2020 by Skaleek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaer88 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Skaleek said: They're unrewarding Don't forget tedious and boring. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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