(PSN)CommanderC2121 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 In the most recent update DE wanted to make overguard more built into warframe kits, and changed Atlas’ rubble, Frost’s icy avalanche and Rhino’s ironskin into overguard. They specified that the way you gain ironskin will not change, nor does it values, but now ot does gain benefits upon taking damage, such as adaptation. This makes rhino so much better right? Its already easy to reach a million ironskin, and with damage reduction counting towards it, the scaling is even more intense. Im not crazy right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Pretty sure it said that nothing mechanically changes about the abilites. Just that they’re displayed through Overguard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedpoop Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I can't tell if Adapation is affecting Iron Skin, but you can proc Avenger thru it now. (not sure if you could before tbh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)CommanderC2121 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, (XBOX)GearsMatrix301 said: Pretty sure it said that nothing mechanically changes about the abilites. Just that they’re displayed through Overguard. The base defensive properties of these abilities and Augment Mods have not changed! This change also has the added benefit of allowing “On Damaged” Mods and Arcanes to apply to all of the above! Prior to this change, the aforementioned abilities wouldmake the player "invulnerable" until the added survivability was depleted. Now, Mods and Arcanes like Adaptation and Arcane Avenger can now be triggered when damage is taken to Overguard, because it is treated similarly to Health and Shields. copied right from the patch notes, so assuming they are correct and the base properties were not changed… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanaukas Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Rhino best tank again, I have to thank rhino for carrying me on my noob days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Everyone is talking of rhino being able to use Avenger , Here I am wondering what i can use with my icy frost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCutler Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I hope it works. But I'm guessing it doesn't. My guess is that damage taken during Overguard will proc Adaptation, but that Adaptation won't apply to Overguard — you'll only benefit from it once the Overguard is gone. Only guessing though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Unstar Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) According to the patch notes, Rhino's Iron Skin will now trigger Adaptation, etc. So yeah, that's a meaningful buff. That said, it's unclear whether "Overguard HP" will benefit from the Adaptation. Either way it's a buff, but if Iron Skin can receive mitigation from Adaptation, that will be a very meaningful buff. Edited June 21, 2023 by (PSN)Unstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R0BN-1 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 As far as I can tell, rhino's ironskin (And likely overguard in general) is not affected by adaptation in any way, other than being able to activate the mod, as I took 3411 damage from a level 195 corrupted bombard rocket at both 0% and 90% adaptation 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerikus Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, (PSN)CommanderC2121 said: Im not crazy right? Nothing changed. Overguard as a concept is nothing new, but now that there is a specific UI that can show it they simply applied it to abilities that already did it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, (PSN)CommanderC2121 said: The base defensive properties of these abilities and Augment Mods have not changed! This change also has the added benefit of allowing “On Damaged” Mods and Arcanes to apply to all of the above! Prior to this change, the aforementioned abilities wouldmake the player "invulnerable" until the added survivability was depleted. Now, Mods and Arcanes like Adaptation and Arcane Avenger can now be triggered when damage is taken to Overguard, because it is treated similarly to Health and Shields. copied right from the patch notes, so assuming they are correct and the base properties were not changed… Having “on damaged” buffs proc for them now is nice tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Unstar Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Cerikus said: Nothing changed. Not so. The patch notes explicitly state that functionality has changed: 5 hours ago, [DE]Danielle said: Overguard has virtually the same function (Health buffs and immunities*) as the listed abilities and Augment Mods, so in an effort to expose the mechanic more and establish familiarity with Overguard as a whole (as it also appears on enemies) we have made it the visual indicator for them. Rhino’s Iron Skin Atlas’ Rumbled Augment Mod Frost’s Icy Avalanche Augment Mod *The base defensive properties of these abilities and Augment Mods have not changed! This change also has the added benefit of allowing “On Damaged” Mods and Arcanes to apply to all of the above! Prior to this change, the aforementioned abilities would make the player "invulnerable" until the added survivability was depleted. Now, Mods and Arcanes like Adaptation and Arcane Avenger can now be triggered when damage is taken to Overguard, because it is treated similarly to Health and Shields. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerikus Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, (PSN)Unstar said: Not so. The patch notes explicitly state that functionality has changed: Yeah, but from what I experienced so far the mods and arcanes don't apply to the Overguard health. That'd be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, R0BN-1 said: As far as I can tell, rhino's ironskin (And likely overguard in general) is not affected by adaptation in any way, other than being able to activate the mod, as I took 3411 damage from a level 195 corrupted bombard rocket at both 0% and 90% adaptation I've been doing some small tests in the simulacrum and can confirm this as well. Regardless of what adaptation has stacked to IS takes the same damage from the attacks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 nice to see Rhino get some love again, and the others too. from what I've scrolled through so far it might be the only good thing that seems to have come with this update lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunGunshow Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 5 hours ago, 0_The_F00l said: Everyone is talking of rhino being able to use Avenger , Here I am wondering what i can use with my icy frost. If Overguard is not affected by armor/adaptation/etc. then that mod will always not be worth taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunGunshow Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Cerikus said: Yeah, but from what I experienced so far the mods and arcanes don't apply to the Overguard health. That'd be broken. My brother in christ you have a Revenant as your profile pic. Literally who cares. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerikus Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, ShogunGunshow said: My brother in christ you have a Revenant as your profile pic. Literally who cares. I did it for the accessories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joylesstuna Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Tsukinoki said: I've been doing some small tests in the simulacrum and can confirm this as well. Regardless of what adaptation has stacked to IS takes the same damage from the attacks. So is iron skin straight up worse right now or is it's defense still the same but just looks like overguard now? Kinda a dumb question sorry I'm just confused if overguard has different damage reduction values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunGunshow Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Cerikus said: I did it for the accessories. My point is that as long as Revenant exists in the game as he is now that there is literally no point in fretting about tankiness balance because he has effectively infinite health so long as the player doesn't zone out from how boring it is and remembers to hit the ability again when their shield gate pops to remind them that the buff ran out. It's silly. Rumblers and Frost's aug would not remotely be an issue, and Iron Skin, while it would be undeniably goofy in terms of EHP, is still not as strong as other tank options. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, (PSN)Joylesstuna said: So is iron skin straight up worse right now or is it's defense still the same but just looks like overguard now? Kinda a dumb question sorry I'm just confused if overguard has different damage reduction values. It's exactly the same as it was before, just looks like overguard. It's defensive capabilities weren't touched in any way. It is slightly better because you can now pre-stack adaptation or trigger some arcanes (such as arcane avenger) while IS is up. It just so happens that adaptation, and some other arcanes, don't provide any benefits to IS...but that is no different than it was before really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taiiat Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 yes, these various Abilities got better, less Mechanics are disabled while they are active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joylesstuna Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, Tsukinoki said: It's exactly the same as it was before, just looks like overguard. It's defensive capabilities weren't touched in any way. It is slightly better because you can now pre-stack adaptation or trigger some arcanes (such as arcane avenger) while IS is up. It just so happens that adaptation, and some other arcanes, don't provide any benefits to IS...but that is no different than it was before really. Ok thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 3 hours ago, ShogunGunshow said: If Overguard is not affected by armor/adaptation/etc. then that mod will always not be worth taking. I already use it , just wondering how to use other things with it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 10 hours ago, (PSN)CommanderC2121 said: The base defensive properties of these abilities and Augment Mods have not changed! This change also has the added benefit of allowing “On Damaged” Mods and Arcanes to apply to all of the above! Prior to this change, the aforementioned abilities wouldmake the player "invulnerable" until the added survivability was depleted. Now, Mods and Arcanes like Adaptation and Arcane Avenger can now be triggered when damage is taken to Overguard, because it is treated similarly to Health and Shields. copied right from the patch notes, so assuming they are correct and the base properties were not changed… If that means adaptation can affect iron skin that's a huge, huge buff to rhino. Because before iron skin had no damage reduction at all as far as i know. But something like guardian being able to proc, is still useful aside from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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