NERF EMBER but why not (TRINITY+CASTANAS)

[moooooski]

TRIGGERED xD

[(PSN)thowed]

I've never seen or heard of that build until yesterday.  It's a niche build thats hardly as rampant as your making it sound.  Embers was a built in power that was activated with one button that you had to basically do nothing.  I'm pretty sure you won't see this Trinity build in low levels "ruining" people's fun.

[XaoGarrent]

7 hours ago, rune_me said:

The video game crash was a result of massive competition between home computers and early game consoles, namely that the former "stole" large portions of the user base from the later. Console developers thus had mass produced games that didn't sell because consumers where now playing on the Commodore 64 (ah, my very first computer) instead of on consoles, causing console developers to go bankrupt.

None of that has anything to do with what I wrote above.

The home micros barely scratched the market in the USA (the C64 was about the only exception and even that still did much better in Europe), and the brunt of the crash was actually over here BECAUSE of this, so your theory is about as valid as saying elephants evolved directly from penguins. It simply doesn't add up.

You have your cause and effect backwards, what migration there was had nothing to do with competition but rather a lack thereof: A collapse of quality in the "wild west" era of game consoles, one that was brought about by, again, the very sort of thinking you're displaying. A mix of tech trenders that were willing to buy garbage for a while finally moving on and companies acting in a selfish and careless manner resulted in a flood of low quality games being met with an extremely rapidly shrinking consumer base that wouldn't sustain them.

This is why I said earlier that if you keep this up, on a long enough timeline, eventually there will be no other thing to go to. You're analogous to those tech trenders that moved on. Except back then, in some regions there wasn't anything else comparable, so moving on meant the death of the hobby. ...Until Nintendo came along and rebooted the entire industry by taking a very serious and calculated approach.

At the end of the day, what I'm trying to get through to you is that your approach of "It's just an x, why so serious" is entirely invalid regardless of topic, because for an actually interested party anything is serious business. I'm sure there's a clown college out there that takes their rainbow striped scarf design and water spitting flowers VERY seriously. This is how it needs to be, or else that "thing," whatever it may be, will eventually be mismanaged into the dirt and stop existing.

If you have so little interest that you don't care one way or the other, why even respond to a discussion where there are people who do? Why care about balance or design at all, since you'll just move on? Why are you here, adding to the noise half of the signal to noise ratio?

[rune_me]

6 hours ago, (PS4)thowed said:

I've never seen or heard of that build until yesterday.  It's a niche build thats hardly as rampant as your making it sound.  Embers was a built in power that was activated with one button that you had to basically do nothing.  I'm pretty sure you won't see this Trinity build in low levels "ruining" people's fun.

It's becoming much more popular the last couple of days. I've seen it many, many times in the last week doing exactly what Ember was used for as well, mostly clearing defense maps quickly.

I'd imagine some popular YouTuber must have made a video about the build recently, and that is why everybody is starting to try it out now.

[Mr.SpookSpook]

How about we nerf you out of the game instead? That would actually bring a small positive change to the playerbase.

[kyori]

9 hours ago, moooooski said:

 

You go hydron to farm xp right? When teammates kill enemies, you get all their xp  evenly to all your gear each 100% unlike if you like enemies yourself, your warframe gets xp if you kill with abilities, then weapons share xp among each other which is divided depending on how many weapon you have equipped.

So when you go to hydron to farm xp, be grateful if you meet a frame that clear the map fast because you are getting all the xp from them.

Next, if you are so bothered about getting kills, you just have to play solo, so you can kill everything yourself. Now, unless you are not capable of doing that and rely on playing public so teammates can help out... but you also don't want them to kill more than you. Well, there is no best of both worlds. You need to chose one.

Or like many would say, go recruit chat and recruit players, and tell them not to kill so many, letting you kill more.

[(PSN)Eluminary]

 Give it time Trinity's never had anything they didn't want to nerf eventually =p

[Lahared]

4 hours ago, (PS4)Eluminary said:

 Give it time Trinity's never had anything they didn't want to nerf eventually =p

The community disagrees on that notion, otherwise there wouldn't be threads on "BALANCING."

[Corvid]

It can only connect to a few enemies at a time, doesn't scale, and comes with a risk of damaging yourself if executed improperly. Not to mention the fact that you need to pretty heavily gimp your build to pull it off, so it's overspecialised.

Overall, I'd say it's not really in need of a nerf. If any changes come to Trinity as a result, it will be because it's not the intended use for her, rather than it being particularly OP.

[(PSN)Eluminary]

45 minutes ago, Lahared said:

The community disagrees on that notion, otherwise there wouldn't be threads on "BALANCING."

 Trinity has been nerfed more than any other frame the game that was the point of the statement I made.

[Lahared]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)Eluminary said:

 Trinity has been nerfed more than any other frame the game that was the point of the statement I made.

 

Perhaps that should've been the statement made then to avoid confusion, hm?

Edited April 3, 2018 by Lahared

[Zahnny]

Ember was a mistake.

[Lahared]

8 minutes ago, Zahnny said:

Ember was a mistake.

[Zahnny]

2 minutes ago, Lahared said:

You're right, I'm sorry. Ember IS a mistake.

[jfhsanseiIII]

Could someone explain the actual mechanic.  The castanas are a strong weapon, but link only affects four targets at a time.  How is it ‘game breaking?’

[Lahared]

Just now, Zahnny said:

You're right, I'm sorry. Ember IS a mistake.

[jfhsanseiIII]

14 minutes ago, Zahnny said:

Ember was a mistake.

I think the implementation was a mistake. In fact I think each ember balance has been a bandaid and not a fix.  She seriously needs a complete overhaul to keep her in line with current frames and make her fun.  WoF abilities are a thing that needs to be in the past.  I play to have fun and going into a match where my gameplay is loot pickup is the exact opposite of that. 

[(XBOX)Timidobserver]

Popularity. I have never personally seen anyone running this trinity cheese, but Ember was everywhere.

[KayserEnd]

So, my little opinion on this: The reason they nerfed Ember's WoF and Banshee's augment is that they were a "set and forget" skill. Meaning you could go watch YouTube while "playing". Now both skills require you to be actually playing the game.

Then, why Trinity+Castanas probably isn't going to be nerfed, just as Mag, Mesa, or Frost? Because you need to be playing the game to use them. I mean, Gara is the newest warframe in the game and she is pretty good at erasing every enemy on a tileset, but she requires you to be doing a lot of stuff (even if simple stuff) to do that.

So no, I don't think nerfing this would be a smart move, but I can be wrong, at the end of the day, this is just the opinion of someone with just 4 months of experience in warframe.

[Irelia_Bot]

On 4/2/2018 at 12:32 PM, moooooski said:

No no the i am just makeing similarities like why ember got nerfed killed enemy too fast while (jumping around) same trinity with castanas i feel it shoud get a range nerf cause imagine this guys who do not see what i see you are out for hydron/survival/plains whatever with ur almight riven jacked up  weapons builds fav. Frame but u cant get a single kill cause the damn trinity 1 shot (jumping) them u get like 4 to 5 kills trinity 353 😂

This trinity build is press 4 and AFK? Good to know.

Banshee was press 4 and AFK,

Ember was press 4 and just run through the mission.

Mesa was pres 4 and have mag press 1.

Excal was press 4 over an over.

This is not a press 4 and AFK build. It requires an actual process. Sure if you tried to set up a macro you might be able to get it going but that would only last a short while due to ammo constraints.

 

[Arniox]

On 4/3/2018 at 7:17 AM, moooooski said:

So you guys saw Ember went through a serious nerf main thing (RANGE) got nerfed cause it killed all enemies thats what (DE) said but why do not nerf the same thing range nerf on TRINITY as u see now a days the new so called meta (TRINITY+CASTANAS) jump and shoot while activateing link her 3rd abilt and all things die before i get to make a kill nerf this thing i cant kill a single enemy because of that pls rethink this what i said and take proper action its takeing the fun out 
thank you 

You do know that the trinity build is really not that powerful? You need a lot of setup for it to work and then you need to do a specific thing and you're only able to kill 3 enemies at a time? It really isn't that strong... Especially since you could do a lot more, faster, with weapons or other frames... 

[Guest]

Considering the trade offs made by the Trinity ... the build for such really doesn't deserve a nerf. You have to gut EV and Blessing just to make it work, which kinda sucks IMO.

Also, being forced to use the Castanas kinda sucks too.

[Avynire]

Trin castana only work for low-mid (<80) to be effective. Even in sortie with armor, element, or shield enchant modifier make the link castana rather useless. 

[LightningsVengance]

You're thinking wrong. Nerf everything. Every Thing  (even the amazing soundtracks and op visuals)

Edited April 4, 2018 by LightningsVengance

[dEjAvU5566]

Just nerf Aviator so that it is not additive with other resistance mod. (bet DE didn't think of this combination).

So abating link trinity is still viable, but cannot spam self-damage brain-dead anymore.

You are welcome, DE.