Wisp Review/Early feedback

[o0Despair0o]

If they change her 4 in any other way than simply buffing the damage output (because more Dakka is always nice) because of the people whining about it before they even played with it, then... then... I don't even know where to start. My hatred towards this comunity would know no bounds. It's been years since I've been this hyped for a Frame. I don't want her to die before she's even released because of some tryhard who thinks he knows game design better than the people who developed this game.

[SemperAdMeliora]

1 minute ago, Jinzanami said:

what do you mean by ''some new content'' ? all of it or just some of it ? and does wisps in the second category ?

Some. My apologies for being misleading. I did not intend to say all of it needs to be praised, as some things are truly rushed, but this still has a chance, as it's not released yet.

[Maka.Bones]

3 minutes ago, Jinzanami said:

so kohra was not rushed ? EOS was not rushed ? Failtuna was not rushed ? DE track recorded is red with this stuff so i can assume with my eyes closed.

you gotta understand that you can rush thing by making a concept and working on it for short time then putting it on ice then return to it and rush the hell of it to get it before deadlines, totally possible.

 

But do you know this for a fact? Do you work there? Were you there to see their work process, or are you just speculating, assuming, and throwing empty accusations based on those assumptions? 

Unless you know for a fact that they rushed it, because you were there yourself or involved in the creation process somehow, please don't just throw empty blatant accusations. 

 

They don't contribute to a good discussion, and they don't offer anything constructive.

 

It might *seem* rushed to you, and it's ok to say that it feels rushed... But it's not ok to say it as if it were a fact, unless you know for a fact that it is. 

 

Most game development companies have a "brainstorm and crush" process.... That's how they do things. It's the actual process... It's not "rushing it" 

[Xarteros]

18 hours ago, RAZORLIGHT said:

yet another badly designed warframe.

i miss the Octavia

Immediately lost all credibility. Badly designed? What's more badly designed than a warframe that forces other players to spam buttons in 'sequence' to a typically muted rhythm for a buff? Having players 'dance' to get a buff is the single dumbest theme in any ability of any warframe in the game, past or present.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, HatedByLifeItself said:

Let's be real here, Wisp will suck 100% , her 1 is stationary and her 3 uses her  1 ... warframe is a fast pace game so they want her to stay at 1 spot with her little flowers ? They want to fix Vauban and they do the same error with wisp, her 2 is nice and her 4 makes her channel not being able to move freely , also her kit does not feel like the kit of the same warframe .. flowers into some stealth into ... a sun kamehameha ? Wisp will probably be the frame you play till level 30 then give up on .. (personal opinion ) 

I will use her anyway, because Aesthetics. I easily play Warframe with just a gun and melee.

You don't have to 1,2,3,4, when playing.

3 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

Btw, I do actually use booben's wheel while indoors. Idk why people have such a hard time figuring out how to use a wheel fast while in combat. 

It is just annoying to have to press the button 2 - 4 times if you need something other than what you have currently selected.

Ofc for Booben this gets even more frustrating because you realize his 2 brings nothing to the table in reality. The armor strip is poor and the rest are CC options, which are overshadowed by his 3 and 4. But I shall not complain about him here.

If I am going to be using Wisp's 1 just as loc pins to pulse her 3 and don't care what buffs are being produced, why wouldn't I support simplifying the ability? Allies aren't going to pause to pick the buffs up anyway other than out of curiosity. Why go through so much work for so little return?

[(XBOX)FISTO ROBOT0]

I’ll try to withhold judgement until I actually get to try her out, a lot o her abilities aren’t what I had hoped for, but her ultimate looks sick. 

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

7 minutes ago, The_Mustachio said:

I’ll make a new thread about how she sucks and should work more like one of my favorite frames. You make a new thread about how excited you are for her, and don’t understand the hate for her. Let’s keep the ball rolling. 

Also, we’ll both make new threads on Itzal 😂

Why stop there?  I'm pretty sure I can think of a "new" concept for an auction house, or open world PvP!

 

Who's with me???

[Maka.Bones]

3 minutes ago, Madway7 said:

Provided the numbers are there (and it doesn't take an eternity to get her alt helm)

Yeah that's the only thing that is definitely a solid concern...  Her 1, 3, and 4 are highly dependant on having numbers that actually make them effective against higher lvl enemies

 

They could be fun AF to use and all, but that won't matter much if it can't actually "do the thing" effectively (like killing an enemy, or providing a buff significant/substantial enough to actually be wanted/used)

[Guest]

The only badly designed part of Wisp is her 1.

The rest seem all fun and good ... except she needs a proper 1 to make her 3 actually shine.

[Maka.Bones]

2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

It is just annoying to have to press the button 2 - 4 times if you need something other than what you have currently selected.

Yeah it is annoying, but I prefer that over only having 4 powers.... I like versatility. 

 

The other better alternative is something like equinox. Like if wisp went into her ghost/void, and she could use other abilities while in there

[Jinzanami]

1 minute ago, Maka.Bones said:

But do you know this for a fact? Do you work there? Were you there to see their work process, or are you just speculating, assuming, and throwing empty accusations based on those assumptions? 

Unless you know for a fact that they rushed it, because you were there yourself or involved in the creation process somehow, please don't just throw empty blatant accusations. 

 

They don't contribute to a good discussion, and they don't offer anything constructive.

 

It might *seem* rushed to you, and it's ok to say that it feels rushed... But it's not ok to say it as if it were a fact, unless you know for a fact that it is. 

 

Most game development companies have a "brainstorm and crush" process.... That's how they do things. It's the actual process... It's not "rushing it" 

theres nothing brainstorming about releasing Chroma Prime with a nerf and no rework and, they didnt even give him an elemental wheel, they rushed it plain and simple and i dont need an insider information to figure that out.

and you're putting a lot of good faith on DE, they're not your friend, and they will stop at nothing to save assets and effort will getting money in return.

please dont insult me by saying that Failtuna was not rushed especially when it shipped without the Orbs bosses and crap ton of bugs that still linger to this day.

[Maka.Bones]

16 minutes ago, Corvid said:

True true. Considering the effects of redshifting, I'd recommend a deep maroon, albeit at the risk of being called an edgelord.

True, deep red makes sense. And idc about being called the edgelord lol... They can color theirs however they want to, I'm the one who's playing mine. 

[CandyManCriminal]

16 minutes ago, Atsia said:

Did everyone miss Pablos tweet?

 

Quick Wisp tidbits
Her 2 draws enemies to attack it, teleporting to it, blinds enemies and gives you a short invulnerability so you don't get obliterated.
Her 4 deals more damage as you hit the same enemy, to help with the common scaling issues of pure damage abilities
WIP WIP

i did miss that actually, but i was already excited for Wisp
thank you

[Maka.Bones]

14 minutes ago, HatedByLifeItself said:

Let's be real here, Wisp will suck 100% , her 1 is stationary and her 3 uses her  1 ... warframe is a fast pace game so they want her to stay at 1 spot with her little flowers ? They want to fix Vauban and they do the same error with wisp, her 2 is nice and her 4 makes her channel not being able to move freely , also her kit does not feel like the kit of the same warframe .. flowers into some stealth into ... a sun kamehameha ? Wisp will probably be the frame you play till level 30 then give up on .. (personal opinion ) 

You. can. pick. up. her. buffs.

You. Can. Place. Multiple. Buffs. In. Many. Different. Places....

She.can.teleport....

 

How T.F. is she static?

 

Thanks for being real/raw tho, and simply saying your thoughts (while also being constructive about it). Much appreciated

Edited April 6, 2019 by Maka.Bones

[Corvid]

2 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

True, deep red makes sense. And idc about being called the edgelord lol... They can color theirs however they want to, I'm the one who's playing mine. 

Amber would also make sense. Tidal forces around black holes mean that things that haven't crossed the event horizon tend to glow from friction. Might not apply to Supermassives though.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

True, deep red makes sense. And idc about being called the edgelord lol... They can color theirs however they want to, I'm the one who's playing mine. 

Given the wavelength Quasars emit at, which is like all the way from Radiowaves to ultra short wavelength X rays (Gamma Rays too), actually even after redshifting you will still have white light unless you are really super far away. I kinda disagree with the deep red since Quasars don't actually emit most of their light in the visible light portion of the spectrum to be redshifted to red, and all the red would have been redshifted to infrared.

No, not to be weird, but I do read up on Astronomy sometimes.

4 minutes ago, Corvid said:

Amber would also make sense. Tidal forces around black holes mean that things that haven't crossed the event horizon tend to glow from friction. Might not apply to Supermassives though.

The glow would actually be multicolored with a gradient, since the "friction glow" will definitely vary in wavelength from the energy released via tidal heating and proximity to the event horizon. Not to mention the black hole itself spewing X rays everywhere. Basically, not something you can replicate with just two energy colors 😂

Ok enough posting about this from me.

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Guest

[Maka.Bones]

5 minutes ago, Jinzanami said:

you're putting a lot of good faith on DE, they're not your friend, and they will stop at nothing to save assets and effort will getting money in return.

please dont insult me by saying that Failtuna was not rushed especially when it shipped without the Orbs bosses and crap ton of bugs that still linger to this day.

1) They're a company ... They exist to make money. They also need money in the first place, to feed themselves, and to continue to create new content or work on existing content. They need money to hire good workers/talent. They need money for electricity bills. Yes they need money, but it's not like they're E.A. or a bank, or a casino, making this a gamble that steals your money and calls it "entertainment" 

They're letting you play their game for free... So chill. 

 

2) Try learning anything about software development, or game design. 

 

Let me know if you ever make anything without bugs....

 

A game of this scale, is likely to have bugs upon release. That's not avoidable.  

[Maka.Bones]

2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

Given the wavelength Quasars emit at, which is like all the way from Radiowaves to ultra short wavelength X rays (Gamma Rays too), actually even after redshifting you will still have white light unless you are really super far away. I kinda disagree with the deep red since Quasars don't actually emit most of their light in the visible light portion of the spectrum to be redshifted to red, and all the red would have been redshifted to infrared.

No, not to be weird, but I do read up on Astronomy sometimes

Yeah that's why I initially was thinking of black & purple. (ultraviolet pun)

 

Black would make it somewhat seethru, and hard to see. 

Purple would make it seem "Space-y" based on media's illustrations of star nurseries. Purple is also on the lower color spectrum, and is somewhat infra-red... Since it also crosses into the red spectrum xD

Edited April 6, 2019 by Maka.Bones

[CuteFoxyFox]

55 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

I agree that her 4th is better suited on ember, but I wouldn't want her to have anything like main or limbo or what other warframes already have. 

 

Instead of making her 4th fire based, they should just change it to radiation or void based (make her harness the power of a quasar, instead of Sunny-D)

How nice uwu
Spread the word! \o/

[-Temp0-]

She's already it.

Past 6 or more warframes powers are so meh I dont even feel like farming or leveling them, forget forma. Compared to "original" ones like Loki, Trinity, Rhino, Volt, ect they are visually unappealing and uninteresting gameplay vise. Theres no need to pop warfarmes every other week if theyre all so meh. I keep playing old ones anyway. New dont do anything useful or new, they hardly even fit in warframe style. Meh. Just meh.

[Maka.Bones]

2 minutes ago, CuteFoxyFox said:

How nice uwu
Spread the word! \o/

Nah I want wisp to keep it. xD

 

Sorry lol. 

[Corvid]

2 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

The glow would actually be multicolored with a gradient, since the "friction glow" will definitely vary in wavelength from the energy released via tidal heating and proximity to the event horizon. Basically, not something you can replicate with just two energy colors 😂

I would have thought that the colour would be consistent when viewed from a given direction, perhaps with some variance toward the edges depending on the angle in question. Granted, I only have a cursory understanding on the subject, mostly gleaned from this article:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/BlackHoles

I would be happy to learn more on the subject in PM, if you would be willing.

[Maka.Bones]

1 minute ago, -Temp0- said:

She's already it.

Past 6 or more warframes powers are so meh I dont even feel like farming or leveling them, forget forma. Compared to "original" ones like Loki, Trinity, Rhino, Volt, ect they are visually unappealing and uninteresting gameplay vise. Theres no need to pop warfarmes every other week if theyre all so meh. I keep playing old ones anyway. New dont do anything useful or new, they hardly even fit in warframe style. Meh. Just meh.

I sort of agree, that's why I like that they're doing something different with her. Yeah it's probably tweakable, but I'm looking forward to playing something that actually feels different. 

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

I don’t blame people for not liking Wisp. I mean Rebecca described her as a “portal frame” which sounded cool, but then only one of her abilities really had anything to do with space portals.

There’s also the thing with Scott saying Vauban is to stationary so they plan to change that, and then 3/4 of Wisps kit is stationary or restricts movement. 

So yeah, Wisp is the first frame in a while that I have next to no interest in.

[Jinzanami]

15 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

1) They're a company ... They exist to make money. They also need money in the first place, to feed themselves, and to continue to create new content or work on existing content. They need money to hire good workers/talent. They need money for electricity bills. Yes they need money, but it's not like they're E.A. or a bank, or a casino, making this a gamble that steals your money and calls it "entertainment" 

They're letting you play their game for free... So chill. 

 

2) Try learning anything about software development, or game design. 

 

Let me know if you ever make anything without bugs....

 

A game of this scale, is likely to have bugs upon release. That's not avoidable.  

i am a costumer, and they're getting money out of us, this entertainment is not for free, and the 'free' tag is not that alluring anymore, theres many games with quality updates and they''re for free, Warframe is not that mind boggling anymore, and its not totally free dont make crap up, you still need to shell time and possibly money to lurk more.

if they want money then they should earn it and deserve it, right now they're spending money on cons and big updates that get delayed and put on ice, the grind kept increasing and the quality kept degrading along with the quantity, if you give them an inch then they will eat you alive.

what was the last time that DE released something that didnt require a rework or overhaul and ton of bug fixing and we''re the beta tester they never hired mind you.

they claim they removed a fur 10p slot machine on every documentary but they let a similar system that have multiple layer of rng and is a core mechanics to run rampant without removing it,i am talking about the Riven system.

and when did DE ever missed a single prime release ? how much money they keep racking up every 3 months just from that ? we should get better product for that money man and we're not getting it, even skill up ceased to talk about this garbo game.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by Jinzanami