The Content Warning at the start of the New War quest is good, and should be applied to previous quest

[Wret]

On the Devstream yesterday, it was shown that the New War would warn the player before initiating the quest as it would interrupt normal Warframe gameplay for several hours, but also because it contains content some players might find upsetting. This is a good idea, and the warning should probably be applied to other relevant quest, especially considering

Spoiler

everything involving Rell in Chains of Harrow.

 

Content warnings are a good way to respect both creative freedom, and also the needs of your players. Players who benefit from these warnings may stop playing, or just wait a bit until they're emotionally prepared to continue. The important thing is they don't potentially walk face first into it unprepared.

I do want to make one suggestion though. Clearly label there are content warnings with a quest, but hide them with a drop down or second window and allow players to manually decide if they want to see them, as some people might consider them spoilers. Also if they're hidden to varying degrees, you can have optionally viewable specific descriptions to let players make a more confident decision on continuing.

 

Given the rapidly approaching date for the New War I imagine it'll be a bit before anything happens with this but please keep them in mind and take them seriously, thank you.

 

[BiancaRoughfin]

Considering Warframe its self is a game for mature rated audience, that warning should be highlighted when making an account and again when the player first logs in so there shouldnt be any warning on other quests.

[LordPantaloonsthe3rd]

I dont understand how anyone who needs the content warning can even play this game in the first place, at all times you are slashing, stabbing, smashing, burning, shooting, melting, disintegrating, exploding and infesting hundreds of enemies with voracious parasites each mission. How can you do that and seriously say you need a warning about some emotional whatever with a straight face. Aside from the part about gameplay disruption the rest of that popup is just virtue signalling clown noise.

 

 

[xxswatelitexx]

28 minutes ago, LordPantaloonsthe3rd said:

I dont understand how anyone who needs the content warning can even play this game in the first place, at all times you are slashing, stabbing, smashing, burning, shooting, melting, disintegrating, exploding and infesting hundreds of enemies with voracious parasites each mission.

 

 

That's Rated - G in U.S 

 

[akots]

4 minutes ago, xxswatelitexx said:

That's Rated - G in U.S 

 

https://www.esrb.org/ratings/10000951/Warframe/

It says Mature 17+. Same rating is shown on Steam page for the US.

[xxswatelitexx]

2 hours ago, akots said:

https://www.esrb.org/ratings/10000951/Warframe/

It says Mature 17+. Same rating is shown on Steam page for the US.

Woosh

[(NSW)Greybones]

3 hours ago, LordPantaloonsthe3rd said:

I dont understand how anyone who needs the content warning can even play this game in the first place, at all times you are slashing, stabbing, smashing, burning, shooting, melting, disintegrating, exploding and infesting hundreds of enemies with voracious parasites each mission. How can you do that and seriously say you need a warning about some emotional whatever with a straight face. Aside from the part about gameplay disruption the rest of that popup is just virtue signalling clown noise.

 

 

I get the idea, but it’s worth considering the difference between turning no-face fodder into different-coloured confetti (mostly red) for the sake of fun, and a story that’s designed to pull at the heartstrings.

The whole way the story pulls at the heartstrings is by drawing upon the viewer’s personal interpretation, itself created from personal experience. Show a kid two people being separated from each other by forces outside their control, and they’ll most likely not get it; not so for an adult who knows what it’s like to lose someone like that.

Sometimes it ventures into territory that can impact anyone, but sometimes it impacts others moreso. A warning is preferable so someone can choose to brace themselves or simply not relive a similar experience; we as people may not be space-pirate-ninjas, but the whole reason we get invested in characters and stories is because they’re created to be relatable in some way, and sometimes things get a little too relatable

[ScytodiDaedalus]

I have no idea what you mean by Chains of Harrow, at most everything related to that is creepy or scary up to jumpscares...

If anything I would say The Sacrifice is by far a lot more unsettling.

This said, I think the warnings they should give us are time-wise for quests like The War Within, Second Dream and a few other like Deimos or Fortuna intro quests.

[Steel_Rook]

What exactly is the issue with Chains of Harrow? Other than having a REALLY bad Operator-only boss fight at the end, it's ostensibly a haunted house ride. They turned out the lights on one map and gave you invincible enemies in another. Am I misremembering something?

[Drasiel]

On 2021-12-02 at 2:17 PM, Steel_Rook said:

What exactly is the issue with Chains of Harrow? Other than having a REALLY bad Operator-only boss fight at the end, it's ostensibly a haunted house ride. They turned out the lights on one map and gave you invincible enemies in another. Am I misremembering something?

you may have missed the curfuffle on the forums but apparently some of the way the effects and whispers and such-like horror elements in chains of harrow mirrored some real world mmm, probably not the right word but not sure how else to say it, psychotic symptoms and in some cases triggered symptom relapse for people or panic attacks that they might be having symptoms.

[Ohforf3]

On 2021-12-01 at 2:54 PM, akots said:

https://www.esrb.org/ratings/10000951/Warframe/

It says Mature 17+. Same rating is shown on Steam page for the US.

That isn't for the violence.  It is for how sexy some of the female frames look.  Violence and gore is nothing compared to destructive force of what looks like a busty woman in skin tight spandex when it comes to ratings in the US.

[Steel_Rook]

3 hours ago, Drasiel said:

you may have missed the curfuffle on the forums but apparently some of the way the effects and whispers and such-like horror elements in chains of harrow mirrored some real world mmm, probably not the right word but not sure how else to say it, psychotic symptoms and in some cases triggered symptom relapse for people or panic attacks that they might be having symptoms.

Huh... OK, yeah - I was not aware of that. If it has real psychological effects, then a warning does sound in order. I guess it goes along the same lines as epileptic seizure warnings. Just because I don't suffer from them doesn't mean a warning isn't warranted. Fair point, then.

 

1 hour ago, Ohforf3 said:

That isn't for the violence.  It is for how sexy some of the female frames look.  Violence and gore is nothing compared to destructive force of what looks like a busty woman in skin tight spandex when it comes to ratings in the US.

That's always been weird to me. Horrifying, disturbing violence is OK. Might even be a T rating. Show a bare breast? That's basically pornography! A rating! Just so weird. Incidentally, Warframe is PEGI 18, but only ESRB M17. See, intuitively I would have expected an AO 18 rating in the US, but apparently the ESRB ratings are a trap. Seems like the AO rating is synonymous with "pornography" and so carries an unwarranted stigma with it. Ah, the world we live in.

 

On 2021-12-02 at 12:47 AM, xxswatelitexx said:

Woosh

Out of curiosity, what exactly is the joke there?

[(PSN)Rainbow_Neos1]

On 2021-12-01 at 2:48 PM, xxswatelitexx said:

That's Rated - G in U.S 

 

This had me rolling. 😂😂 

[(PSN)Rainbow_Neos1]

6 hours ago, Ohforf3 said:

That isn't for the violence.  It is for how sexy some of the female frames look.  Violence and gore is nothing compared to destructive force of what looks like a busty woman in skin tight spandex when it comes to ratings in the US.

Another comment that left me rolling 😂😂

[Grommile]

On 2021-12-01 at 7:20 PM, LordPantaloonsthe3rd said:

How can you do that and seriously say you need a warning about some emotional whatever with a straight face.

I can indulge in Warframe's implausible, cartoonish ultraviolence with great glee, yet the scene in Peter Collinson's The Earthling where the RV rolls forward off the cliff made me feel physically ill.

 

[_junguler]

to be honest almost nobody really reads those stuff anyway, include, don't include it doesn't matter to me at all, i'll be skipping anything that can be skipped.

[xxswatelitexx]

On 2021-12-04 at 6:45 AM, Steel_Rook said:

Out of curiosity, what exactly is the joke there?

That in U.S extreme violence isn't seen as a problem by many parents.

Go around beating, shooting, torturing, burning enemies? No Probs.

But a a girl wearing a sleeveless shirt at school - "That's crossing the line, suspension!" 

 

We basically have no real Standards. 

If anything the warning should be,

"Titania has a very highcut Skirt - please type I am Not Crazy in confirmation box to continue" 

[(PSN)Rainbow_Neos1]

25 minutes ago, xxswatelitexx said:

That in U.S extreme violence isn't seen as a problem by many parents.

When it comes to games, that isn't just a US thing. Kids all over the world have parents letting them play M games for varying reasons. I think it's rather disingenuous to say particularly the US when the only real reason you could say that particularly about the US is because of the US population being so large. 

 

25 minutes ago, xxswatelitexx said:

But a a girl wearing a sleeveless shirt at school - "That's crossing the line, suspension!" 

These are two different topics of conversation and not relatable at all. This is a severe case of false equivalency. Not that I don't green some schools have crazy dress codes when compared to others, but it's not comparable to the first point made. 

[xxswatelitexx]

8 hours ago, (PSN)Rainbow_Neos1 said:

When it comes to games, that isn't just a US thing. Kids all over the world have parents letting them play M games for varying reasons. I think it's rather disingenuous to say particularly the US when the only real reason you could say that particularly about the US is because of the US population being so large. 

 

These are two different topics of conversation and not relatable at all. This is a severe case of false equivalency. Not that I don't green some schools have crazy dress codes when compared to others, but it's not comparable to the first point made. 

Parents let their kids play warframe even though you can literally cut up enemies apart. Impale them on spears. Blow up heads and have bloody viscera spread all over the walls.

II guarantee you parents would start thinking twice  letting kids play the second you throw in enemies in bikini or suggestive armor with the excuse, "it isn't age appropriate" 

Which is how the 2 points ties together.

Violence in U.S is rated G, it doesn't matter how violent the game is - it's all A OK. 

[(PSN)Rainbow_Neos1]

40 minutes ago, xxswatelitexx said:

Parents let their kids play warframe even though you can literally cut up enemies apart. Impale them on spears. Blow up heads and have bloody viscera spread all over the walls.

II guarantee you parents would start thinking twice  letting kids play the second you throw in enemies in bikini or suggestive armor with the excuse, "it isn't age appropriate" 

Which is how the 2 points ties together.

Violence in U.S is rated G, it doesn't matter how violent the game is - it's all A OK. 

This is a severely assumptive and over-generalized statement that targets a group that shouldn't be solely targeted for what you claim. 

[Teoarrk]

I think that the rating of the game is enough. The opening cinematic of the game and themes of the opening quest should be more than enough set dressing to establish whether the game is right for you. I know that everyone has their own triggers, but candid exploration of things that make us uncomfortable should be encouraged, especially in a game with a mature rating. 

[(NSW)Greybones]

11 hours ago, Oorel said:

Game rating is enough.

I find the want for content warnings like this genuinely pathetic. If something is worthwhile artistically surely its challenging, you cant do that cleanly and without discomfort to some degree from the observer. The big-picture here is this; its more reasonable to wear shoes than to dress the world in leather.

If you are such a horribly broken mess of a human-being, just avoid all media until you get a grip, don't drag everyone down with you.

Christ man, what’s your hangup about the warnings? It’s the compromise that others have to make when they decide whether they can consume the story you’re safely enjoying; it’s not to stop you from watching.  You are free to consume the content, not necessarily someone else. You make it sound like it lessens the experience or something when you’re getting the same stuff even if there was no warning?

And if you want the “Artistic nature” to be a consideration when choosing to apply a warning, then the message better be a damn good one to not have a warning and blindside the viewer who was enjoying the story up until the uncontrolled breakdown.

[Oorel]

2 hours ago, (NSW)Greybones said:

...

I understand that most people do not see the insidious nature of compromise. I'm aware that most don't think much of giving in just a little bit, but the bigger picture is a death by a thousand cuts towards a crippling equity.

[(NSW)Greybones]

6 minutes ago, Oorel said:

I understand that most people do not see the insidious nature of compromise. I'm aware that most don't think much of giving in just a little bit, but the bigger picture is a death by a thousand cuts towards a crippling equity.

Oh, my bad. Warnings are the way you can still see your torture and mutilation scenes (or whatever), but you’re right; they should just be cut out entirely.

edit: “they” meaning the scenes. Sanitise the content because the warning was too much of a slippery slope, so let’s just jump straight to the logical conclusion

[TheLexiConArtist]

Seizure warnings are essentially redundant by now where tech and games are concerned, but still have more integrity than 'content warnings'. You don't get agency to act when a grand mal, life-risking seizure takes hold. You do when you're emotionally upset or offended by what you see.

I can have every sympathy for whatever traumatic experiences someone might have suffered, but it's still their personal responsibility to deal with, it shouldn't and cannot be everyone else's responsibility when any given individual's personal circumstances are unknown quantities and there's just no accounting for every possibility. 
If you're vulnerable to any emotional 'triggers' from things that aren't directed at you personally then you should have your contingencies in place to halt or remove yourself from the influence and find the support you need to recover.
You may not be ready and able to entirely conquer your personal demons, but expecting the world to sanitise itself purely for you is just running in sheer denial.