The price of Heirloom skins is incredibly disappointing.

[Colyeses]

I don't mind these skins being rather expensive. Much like with Prime Access, I see it as a 'support the devs' kind of thing as much as it is a cosmetics pack. I could be content shelling out extra to show my love for Warframe and my appreciation for DE and its devs. However, the regular Heirloom pack is 63 EUR, but this value is split over three distinct items: Frost, Mag, and Regal Aya.

With 15 Regal Aya going for 72 EUR and 6 Regal Aya being 40% of that, that puts that Regal Aya bundle in the Heirloom pack at roughly 29 EUR. That is almost HALF of the cost of the entire collection. That leaves the combined cost of Frost and Mag at 34 EUR, or 17 EUR each. 

34 EUR for Mag + Frost or 17 EUR for Mag OR Frost are both considerably more appealing deals. 

The fact that it's Regal Aya that's driving the cost up so much is also a double whammy marketing flop: The value of Regal Aya decreases with how much players have supported the devs over the years.

I've only ever bought one Prime Access, so Regal Aya still likely has some value to me, but right now, if you've bought a LOT of prime access, that Regal Aya is going to be near worthless, as everything that can be bought with it is already in your inventory. 

 

My immediate suggestions to alleviate the problem:

1. Keep the current bundle as is, but...
2. Add a slimmer bundle which is JUST the skins (No Aya) for 40 EUR.
3. Add a bundle for JUST Frost and one for JUST Mag, for 20 EUR each.
4. (Optional) Add a bundle for JUST Frost + 3 Regal Aya and one for JUST Mag + 3 Regal Aya for 30 EUR each.

 

You'd have me spending immediately. The steep 60+ EUR pricetag overburdened with married goods is my biggest apprehension.

[CosoMalvadoNG]

hace 3 minutos, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta dijo:

Holy hell, who are you to decide if I'm not going to use any of the items in the pack. It's... why I bought it? I already fashion-framed my Frost and Mag with the skins, and put the Signas on a lot of other frames. I have the sigil on my Drifter at the moment and I use a few of the blues and purples from the color palette already. 

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

ok

[Chewarette]

5 minutes ago, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta said:

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

I think they're mad a you more for the message it sends than the usage.

If people buy that ? Then next heirlooms will be the same price (if we're lucky), or more expensive (because why not trying to get MORE money ??)

If this pack never sold because of the nefarious strategy, then maybe they'd think differently the next time. Breaking up the pack, putting it in plats (which are still real life money) ==> More players would benefit.

Just because you could afford doesn't mean it's OK to. I can afford to buy it 10 times if I wanted to. But out of principle I won't, because it's the kind of stuff that plagues the overall MTX industry.

[Waeleto]

16 minutes ago, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta said:

I mean you're all whining over a high price and FOMO. If you played Destiny you wouldn't be new to this. Let DE dabble a bit into the FOMO market, I think they deserve to just this once.

Just this once ? haven't you heard about excalibur prime ?

[(XBOX)Itz2Cat]

14 minutes ago, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta said:

Holy hell, who are you to decide if I'm not going to use any of the items in the pack. It's... why I bought it? I already fashion-framed my Frost and Mag with the skins, and put the Signas on a lot of other frames. I have the sigil on my Drifter at the moment and I use a few of the blues and purples from the color palette already. 

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

Although the quote might not be worded the right way, you have to understand that a lot of us are not happy because we feel the bundle deal is extremely predatory. It feels like its going against what (at least what i thought) DE stands for, and have stood for for 10 years. (Besides like the regal Aya situation. But that wrong was corrected.)

I'm pretty sure what the user was referring to was regal Aya. For a player like me, i have no use for it. I cannot buy any prime and there are no accessories i want. That means that for me, a large amount of the price i'm spending on the bundle is thrown down the drain.

Edited August 27, 2023 by (XBOX)Itz2Cat

[Xsoskeleton]

12 hours ago, (PSN)PheonixFontaine said:

Take a look at the Lich pack with all the shaders and it's over 800 plat, for the only way to get 7 color palettes. Something with a price bloated by what's in it, which is Requiem relics, requiem mods and lich armor.

The good part part of the price bloater in Lich pack is it kickstarts your gameplay into lich hunt, i fell for that shceme, but i do feel the kickstart is quite useful as the moment u can freely loop lich hunts your requiem relics and mods just constantly flowing back in.

These heirloom packs only offers Regal Ayas that you cant spend on anything but prime resurgence and few hundred plats. Yes plat is tradable but ultimately you just throw the burden of farming onto someone else, not a direct "hey lets get your gameplay going with these equips" kind of thing (or just get prime access where u get equips AND plat, far more useful).

[Myscho]

If there was pack with Heirloom Skins and Signas only for around 30-35e, im gladly buy it, now even Celestial pack is bit overpriced with regal aya which i dont have use for 

[Xsoskeleton]

4 minutes ago, Waeleto said:

Just this once ? haven't you heard about excalibur prime ?

I honestly feel excal prime is unfair comparison. Cuz back then they do need the money to keep the company form breaking apart. And they only started prime access after the founder pack sale expires.

Nowadays they already have returning customers spending for prime access or prime resurgence. Not to mention these pack have no reason to be as pricey as prime packs as they are mostly cosmetic. Regal Aya was a mistake.

[Xsoskeleton]

Also nothing like the whales trying to justify their spending by calling out others who dont spend like they do. Completely missing the point that Regal Aya is responsible for around half of the bundle price alone.

[Prexades]

vor 28 Minuten schrieb (XBOX)Tanta Cinta:

Holy hell, who are you to decide if I'm not going to use any of the items in the pack. It's... why I bought it? I already fashion-framed my Frost and Mag with the skins, and put the Signas on a lot of other frames. I have the sigil on my Drifter at the moment and I use a few of the blues and purples from the color palette already. 

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

Okay buddy, Diablo: Immortal has a few gems for you.

[xGryphus]

Aye, this is my main concern as well, although from my understanding it is a deliberate action. Artificially bloated price limits availability to give those skins "luxury goods" status and make them more rare - from my understandings, it was never aimed at everybody, only a small group of players dedicated enough to dish out such an obnoxious sum of money.

That being sad, I do hope that DE will add more purchase options but I wouldn't keep my breath for it.

[Chewarette]

3 minutes ago, xGryphus said:

Aye, this is my main concern as well, although from my understanding it is a deliberate action. Artificially bloated price limits availability to give those skins "luxury goods" status and make them more rare - from my understandings, it was never aimed at everybody, only a small group of players dedicated enough to dish out such an obnoxious sum of money.

I can understand having "rare" items to increase their artificial value, but what's the point for DE ?

Is it better to sell 100 90$ packs, or 10.000 30$ packs ?

Edited August 27, 2023 by Chewarette

[SephirothWS]

What they should have done is forgone the regal aya, forgone the platinum, and placed the skins in the in-game market like all of their other deluxe skins and had them cost platinum instead of these exorbitant prices.

[xGryphus]

6 minutes ago, Chewarette said:

I can understand having "rare" items to increase their artificial value, but what's the point for DE ?

Is it better to sell 100 90$ packs, or 10.000 30$ packs ?

Or it could be 3.500 x 95$ vs 10.000 x 30$. We don't know enough even to speculate numbers. However, story of The Boring Company and 20.000 and their "It's not a flamethrower" sold for 500$ a piece shows that there is a market for such things.

[Colyeses]

5 minutes ago, SephirothWS said:

What they should have done is forgone the regal aya, forgone the platinum, and placed the skins in the in-game market like all of their other deluxe skins and had them cost platinum instead of these exorbitant prices.

I fully understand them not being available for Platinum, as a counterpoint. Platinum is dirt cheap, with lots of giveaways and large Plat discounts. 50% off on plat purchases is not a rare log-in bonus by any stretch, and buying big bundles for next to nothing would crash the prices on these skins.

Much like Prime Access, these kinds of luxury cosmetics are the main way by which DE intends to make money, and with everything gameplay being utterly free and most cosmetics being borderline free, I'm perfectly fine with them selling the Heirloom cosmetics for direct purchase instead of platinum.

The issue is that I dislike the idea of tanking 30 EUR on Regal Aya on the side.

[quxier]

1 hour ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

For $100 I could sculpt a decent sized and detailed Mag and Frost sculptures for you in their new skins, and do a decent canvas painting of both,

I would love to get some sculptures of frames (e.g. Xaku + Kagura skin) or weapons (e.g. Sarpa with some changes) but that's different. What you can do with sculpture? You can put it on the shelf and look at every so often.

However as skin, you have something that you can interact much more. It's not new frame/weapon but it's still a lot.

ps. 100$ for asking certain person to sculpt would probably be reasonable (I don't know about prices from other countries but in my country it sounds little too much, imho). However for mass produced (e.g. 3d printed) it should cost like 10$, maybe 20$.

1 hour ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

and those will stay with you forever, and not subject to Digital removal etc Solid, real, in your permanent possession, and if I die in a freak accident, the value will go up. 

The value of it is subjective. Just because you die doesn't mean that price would go higher. I could ask another person to sculpt if it's "decent sculpture" only.

Game closing is issue, however figure degrading or just breaking is issue as well.

1 hour ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

For $100, you could hire an Escort, and get them to cosplay as Mag or Frost in their new skins for you, and roleplay for 1 hour, and do things like throw ice cubes and magnets at you. 

Best 100$ spent ever! Hahaha

1 hour ago, (PSN)slightconfuzzled said:

For $100 you could buy Special edition versions of some pretty high quality huge Triple A titles. 

Only 1 tittle? Pff. for 100$ you could get many games, depending on age of game and discount. Probably most of the prices DE show us are ridiculous. I would like to pay them (I love certain stuff they do) but I'm not willing to pay price of game for few plat.

 

 

[Lakais]

After seeing the various chats about this last night... I was waiting for these threads. It's a weird situation where it's entertaining to shove popcorn in my face while entertained by the dumpster fire and at the same time having the vibe ruined by just the ugly vitriol being thrown around with some accusations being just special kind of . 

Is the pack pricey as a skin bundle? Yes. Is this just a skin bundle? No. Let me cook here. 

These packs serve the dual purpose of also being a direct "throw money at DE to support" thing rolled into a skin pack. And I'll say it! I have more use for Regal Aya then I do for the plat! I have never bought a Prime Access pack because I think they are in general overpriced for what ammounts to a few cosmetic items and a "skip the wait ticket" for the stuff that maters. You can get the frame and weapons for free if you are capable of putting in the time and effort and just have the patience. And when there is a cosmetic I want out of those packs, I still don't want it because I want just one thing. 

I get it! Some people want just the skins or even just ONE skin or just the halos. Maybe DE will buckle if the backlash is big enough or long enough and give cut down pack options. I mean there's four months to go. And I wish you guys the luck. 

[The_Royal_Elf_Mika]

26 minutes ago, Chewarette said:

I can understand having "rare" items to increase their artificial value, but what's the point for DE ?

Is it better to sell 100 90$ packs, or 10.000 30$ packs ?

^^^^ this, all that this bundle does is cause player unhappiness and is flat out worse marketing wise.

when a bundle thats $60 (Prime Accessories) has like 1000x the value of a pack worth $70 and somehow still has like a 900x-1000x better value than the $90 pack, its insane. like the skins are good, but they are not worth anything near 70 dollars. especially if you can spend like $10-15 to easily get a Deluxe.

example:

Khora Urushu Collection - 225p

• Khora Urushu Skin
• Veratria Blade And Whip Skin
• Pulchranopsis Syandana
• Maculatia Kavat Skin
• Root Black/Moss Green/ Rose Red/ Thorn Pink Companion colors
• Comes with new Khora Idle animations

Mesa Presidio Collection - 225p

• Mesa Presidio Skin
• Perla Dual Pistol Skin
• Perla Pistol Skin
• Constella Syandana

Titania Donann Collection - 195p

• Titania Donann Skin
• Raylta Syandana
• Titania Moyturan Wings (aux for Titania only)

 

heres 3 easily on par deluxe skin sets that are no where near the price of these 2 skins.

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by (NSW)Royal_Elf_Mika
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[(XBOX)Phuine]

Well this skin bundels a expensive is probably becus of regul aya 😑 if you buy the expenses pack you get 6 regul aya witch is the cost to buy frost prim and mag prim. I persoly hate this give use a bundel without regul aya 😑

[Waeleto]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)Tanta Cinta said:

Holy hell, who are you to decide if I'm not going to use any of the items in the pack. It's... why I bought it? I already fashion-framed my Frost and Mag with the skins, and put the Signas on a lot of other frames. I have the sigil on my Drifter at the moment and I use a few of the blues and purples from the color palette already. 

It sounds like you're mad at me for spending MY money LMFAOOO.

Read the room

[Luka-Song]

14 minutes ago, Lakais said:

These packs serve the dual purpose of also being a direct "throw money at DE to support" thing rolled into a skin pack.

As someone who didn't see the announcement at Tennocon and found out about this pack on their front page, my whiplash reaction was almost comical.

I entered the promotional page, saw the skins and thought "oh man, these look really nice!"

Saw that they come with this new kind of cosmetic and went "quite neat!"

I then looked at the price, and was momentarily taken aback, but I thought to myself "prime access packs are also quite overpriced, but have always been the de facto "donation" button. Maybe I'll finally buy one of these and show support to a studio that even if I haven't always agreed with, I have respected!"

But then I saw it. "These items are only available for a limited time, and will never come back." Immediately, my heart sank, my interest dissapeared, my mouth frowned, and the aforementioned respect evaporated.

[RasserG]

12 hours ago, Alpha-Braten said:

I loved this game. It was a part of my life for a decade. I loved DE being the most community oriented developer out there.  I realy hate whiny negative posts. But this scam sh*t is the saddest moment of this game in a decade.

I can hear it: DE: "What part of the most community hated things in the gaming world could we add to the game??" someone random: "all !"

- fomo abuse

- overpricing by useless stuff like regal aya and plat

- no bundle consisting of only the skins or a single skin

The worst part is that it also locks the new signa in the first step behind overpriced pay only. The skins by themself are also the basic model with added glowing and some ornaments. 

 

If THIS shows what DE thinks of a 10th celebration and the future of Warframe I am out. More on: This possibly shows also what we can expect for the price policy of Soulframe. 

This is a pricing you could await from a mobile game.

 

I expected a real celebration present for the community. Realy, I would expected Excal Prime for all available. This would be worth a decade. Not this .... 

I never had a problem supporting the game and DE with some money here and there. But this is near to robbery.

 

I agree with everything your saying, except that people should have access to Excalibur Prime again.
I don't have Excalibur Prime and I don't want him, because it's a honored trophy for the players that helped kickstart Warframe.

[ZabaYaga]

1 hour ago, Colyeses said:

I don't mind these skins being rather expensive. Much like with Prime Access, I see it as a 'support the devs' kind of thing as much as it is a cosmetics pack.

I'd be careful with statements like that.
Considering this is literally just putting deluxe skins behind a Paywall, on a event that costs them a lot, where they donate 200k to charity, give 10k for funsies to a cosplay contest and then also are developing 3 separate games you need to ask yourself how much of this is still supporting devs. They wouldn't do all that if they didn't already have the funds to do so.

I've said it in another thread. Be aware that if you start being okay now with these deluxe skins to be sold behind a paywall, be prepared to do it every time from now on. Why would they give you the opportunity to make it obtainable for plat if they can just get you to open your wallet for 'support'.
This game is for many people driven on collection. So this would just generate them a ton of money short term, while being harmful for the core charm and attraction of the game (the wide f2p accessibility and customization, with only community driven skins behind a paywall that aren't a complete model overhaul).

This is a profit+greed driven decision, not a 'here is another way to support us'-pack. They could literally do that by breaking down the prime access pack further and making what you want with it more customizable.

Whatever you do, just know you're not supporting the devs. The time limited nature on its own is proof on that considering DE's general hard stance on anti-exclusivity.
You're supporting shareholders that have no interest in the game/community and just want to suck your wallet dry.

[(PSN)MYKK678]

1 hour ago, Binket_ said:

A free game still needs to pay the bills.
Guess how that gets done, here's a hint: It's monetization.

Like it or not, monetization needs to be done right.
Enough for the player to buy, but enough for DE to keep the game running.

This failed on the former, so we tell them.

I have no problem with folks voicing their rational disappointment with something. Thats not whats going on here though.

Whole thing started with a misunderstanding of the price, thinking it was $130+, and then when that excuse left the room its basically been a very strange and probably deliberate mix of misinformation and conspiracy theories.

Talk of "FOMO" being used as a tactic, despite it being available for another 120+ days. Conspiracies of "this is how it starts" despite there being zero confirmation there'll even be a second Heirloom Pack. Terms thrown around like it's a "backstab" while they conveniently forget that theres No Subscription, No Battle Passes, No DLC Expansion costs, No "pay X to unlock the option to use Weapon Y", No PS+ requirement, No Guaranteed Paywall in front of both New Warframes or Prime Warframes.

What's the only thing this game has ever asked anyone to pay for? Cosmetics, a truly optional purchase, and something most people wish that "Game X" would only charge for. Instead of a rational conversation though we got multiple threads full of scaremongering and folks who never asked themselves if they've ever spent more than $20 per month on the game in Tennogen/Plat purchases bouncing nonsense and theories and the factually unprovable back and forth.

The only failure that's happened here is the occurance of mob mentality, and a lot of folks not noticing it.

[NecroPed]

There also needs to be a bundle with ALL the unique rewards, not just the skins (colour palette, sigil, glyph, emote and acolade), without the regal aya (And even without plat would be preferred).