Ignis Rivens seem worthless

[General_Durandal]

I've rolled mine 32 times,
and got a lousy, 1.2 Pinch-through, 37.5% Heat, and +21.3% Mag Capacity.
When I look for a Riven, it's pretty much to replace mods i'm using with that gun already.
Sad thing about that, there are already 8 amazing mods you can use on Ignus.
I use Amalgam Serration, Primed Shred, Heavy Caliber, Firestorm, Sinister Reach,
and 3 of the 4 dual status chance element mods depending on what i'm fighting.
The Riven I rolled would Replace my Primed Shred,
which would increase per hit damage, but reduce fire-rate.
411.6 damage times 12 fire-rate = 4939.2 damage per second (Primed Shred)
466.4 damage times 8 fire-fate = 3731.2 damage per second (Riven)

At a minimum for me to use a Riven it would need,
+60%+ Status chance and +60%+ Elemental damage, with something else,
+2.2+ punch-through and +55%+ Fire-rate, with something else,
+165% Damage+ with something else that is useful,
Non of which are possible.

The best possible Rivens I can get according to the Riven Calculator are,
+67.4% Status chance and +67.4% Elemental damage, with a - to something. (can't have a third + effect) 
(having 3 effects drops Status chance and Elemental damage max to 51%)
(7.4% to both doesn't seem worth also having a -, unless it's -accuracy, which isn't on the list.)
(a - to zoom or physical damage would be okay, but the best possible riven can be 55.1%-67.4%)
(so 75/123 chance to get one good stat, but there are 3 stats, so the chance of a replacement plummets dramatically per effect)
+2.0 Pinch-through, +44.9% Fire Rate, with a - to something. (can't have a third + effect)
+123.5% Damage, and +67.4% Multishot with a - to a physical damage type might replace Heavy Caliber though.
(but a 67.4% chance to deal extra damage doesn't seem worth it)

Now, if there was "Blast Radius" and "Range" as effects a Ignis Riven can have,
Then i'd need both on the same Riven to actually use it, since that would actually replace 2 of my mods,
allowing another mod and therefor improving the weapon.
But they are not on the list of effects, so, Ignis Rivens are completely worthless.
(unless you don't have a full set of 60% status chance +60% element damage mods)

The only good Ignis Riven setup I can think of i'd use is,
1.5 Punch Through
34.0% Fire Rate
51.0% Elemental Damage
-54.4% Physical Damage / -27.2% Zoom
It's the best possibility, and I still might not use it,
and the chance of getting it is so small there is no point in even trying.
If you find one it will most likely be being sold for thousands of plat.
So, yeah, Disposition 1 Weapon Rivens are bad and should just be ignored.

Edited October 30, 2019 by General_Durandal

[--DSP--Jetstream]

Rivens in general are worthless.

Why bother investing and rolling so it can be reduced to 1 dispo next patch?

[taiiat]

at the strength that Ignis is at, i'd suggest aiming for Stats like Punch-Through and maybe... Status? but mostly the Punch-Through. in a +2neg form rather than +3neg, because there isn't really 3 Stats that you'd really want anyways.
then you could pair that with Primed Shred and make the Weapon even more effective.

[Spookmineer]

For some weapons (like this one) the disposition is so bad, it's not worth it.

[General_Durandal]

19 minutes ago, --DSP--Jetstream said:

Rivens in general are worthless.

Why bother investing and rolling so it can be reduced to 1 dispo next patch?

That, is very true.
I had some pretty godly rivens that got nerfed, still usable though.

 

10 minutes ago, Spookmineer said:

For some weapons (like this one) the disposition is so bad, it's not worth it.

Would be great if DE gave me a Kuva Refund.
35k+ Kuva on that thing, wasted.

[Spookmineer]

5 minutes ago, General_Durandal said:

Would be great if DE gave me a Kuva Refund.
35k+ Kuva on that thing, wasted.

The riven disposition for a specific weapon is shown in arsenal, in the mod section. It has been bad for a while now.

Edited October 30, 2019 by Spookmineer

[Zebiko]

I do the same, looking to replace 1 or more mods to free up slots. All rivens dispositions below 3 are not worth an investment. Also it's rare to find a 5 disposition weapon that's still not garbage with a riven. 

[taiiat]

48 minutes ago, Spookmineer said:

The riven disposition for a specific weapon is shown in arsenal

not it isn't, it's not really shown ingame anywhere. Kappas out of 5 doesn't tell the Player anything remotely accurate enough to be able to make any sort of educated decisions based on it.
but then Warframe doesn't want Players to make educated decisions, it seems.

43 minutes ago, Zebiko said:

All rivens dispositions below 3 are not worth an investment.

if you don't personally want to bother that's your deal, but that isn't an accurate statement about which Rivens aren't worth using.

Edited October 30, 2019 by taiiat

[(XBOX)Erudite Prime]

That's the whole point of disposition. 

[--DSP--Jetstream]

16 minutes ago, (XB1)Erudite Prime said:

That's the whole point of disposition. 

Disposition only make strong weapon stronger while the weak ones still weak. Its suppose to make weak guns viable but its not.

Hind with full disposition still cant match a fulmin, acceltra, tiberon prime even with just 1 disposition. Its not because of the stat but the gun just operate poorly.

A convetrix with whatever G0D riven or whatever people call it still a convetrix, riven didnt solve anything and just add more layer of pointless grind.

But de keep this bad riven system because theres people who buy those thousand plat rubico rivens. So theres that.

[(XBOX)COA Altair]

Don't bother with rivens with that low of a disposition in the rifle category, it just flatout isn't worth it.  Ignis was alright before they started tweaking dispositions, but once it got nerfed a couple times it was over for ignis rivens.  Ignis is quite popular as a weapon so it's unlikely to go up in dispo anytime soon if ever because afaik there isn't any other flamethrower in WF.  

Edited October 30, 2019 by (XB1)COA Altair

[MonsterOfMyOwn]

Punchthrough is very rare and normal mods with it usually has a high drain, so your mod ain't that bad.

But anyway a riven should always be better than a 60/60, prime shred, etc...

 

[Her_Lovely_Tentacles]

Why are you looking for these extremely specific riven stat combinations?
Also, why do you need that exact fire rate, or that exact status chance, or that exact amount of additional damage?

Having the exact stats of one mod like a 1:1 replacement and just being better isn't what a riven is meant to do.
If you get a good combination of stats, take the riven and adjust your mods around it. Don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

On another note, may I suggest you get an Ignis Wraith? It is a direct upgrade from the regular Ignis. You can usually get them for free by nicely asking in trade chat.

Edited October 30, 2019 by Her_Lovely_Tentacles

[(PSN)cdzbrbr]

5 hours ago, taiiat said:

at the strength that Ignis is at, i'd suggest aiming for Stats like Punch-Through and maybe... Status? but mostly the Punch-Through. in a +2neg form rather than +3neg, because there isn't really 3 Stats that you'd really want anyways.
then you could pair that with Primed Shred and make the Weapon even more effective.

That's a terrible suggestion, if you wanna roll punch through, use shred or primed shred; a riven should never replace a dual stat mod, unless of course you are avoiding blast on 100% sc shotugus.

Then you have fire rate in the same mod, which is far more effective at proccing status than status chance of beam weapons.

Sorry for being that blunt but you couldn't have picked 2 worse stats on an ignis riven.

@OP I have a Dmg, Multi, CC +Recoil Groll for it, it's about the only roll that's worth replacing a regular mod for and you're still not missing much; here's hoping they'll notice that fallacy on the system and buff minimum disposition, otherwise anyone who unveils such mods will be doomed with the task of rolling a 1 in millions roll in order for it to be minimally useable.

 

Edited October 30, 2019 by (PS4)cdzbrbr

[NinjaZeku]

5 hours ago, taiiat said:

i'd suggest aiming for Stats like Punch-Through [...] then you could pair that with Primed Shred

Huh, I don't quite understand how that wouldn't be uselessly redundant, TBH.

[taiiat]

4 hours ago, NinjaZeku said:

Huh, I don't quite understand how that wouldn't be uselessly redundant, TBH.

 

4 hours ago, (PS4)cdzbrbr said:

That's a terrible suggestion, if you wanna roll punch through, use shred or primed shred

the strength of the Weapon ofcourse is firing an indiscrimminate AoE in the direction you're pointing, to smash Pots or Kill random Trash Enemies, in the widest area possible.
since innate PT got nerfed (removed), adding as much as you possibly can back manually is the stopgap to getting that feature back.

 

 

4 hours ago, (PS4)cdzbrbr said:

Sorry for being that blunt but you couldn't have picked 2 worse stats on an ignis riven.

sorry for being blunt but you don't understand what role Ignis filled and what Stats you need to push to get that feature back after it was nerfed since it's the reason why the Weapon became widely popular with both super casual Players and Veterans that wanted to easily&lazily do what the game asked of them (smash Pots and wipe Trash Enemies).

PT is the actual 'meta' Stat you could possibly give Ignis (from a Riven) - not the Lowest Common Denominator definition of 'meta' where it has nothing to do with being actually the best but just being popular - no, actually the most effective tactic available. 

after that, you can add whatever you want really because the Riven Multiplier is pretty low so not much is really that exciting, and none of the Damage Stats really pair for increasing the AoE of the Weapon so pick any of them that you want frankly.

Edited October 30, 2019 by taiiat

[Aldain]

Rivens are worthless because the do nothing to fix bad weapons and only make strong weapons stronger.

You ever try selling a Galvacord Riven? I can't even sell it for 5 plat because everyone is just drunk on the power high of other weapons.

Nobody wants anything but the top-of-the-line weapons because Riven mods make them even better, while mediocre weapons aren't worth using even with +1000% damage because their base is so low.

Riven mods have failed in their intended design of helping weak weapons because weak weapons have problems that can't be solved by percent based stat increases.

[Traumtulpe]

10 hours ago, General_Durandal said:

I've rolled mine 32 times,

That's like complaining at a casino that you didn't win the jackpot after 32 plays.

More importantly, the Ingis Wraith is a great weapon that does not need a riven. I had a Tigris riven and never got a good roll on it - still used the Tigris Prime because it's a great weapon. Working as intended.

[(PSN)LoneWolf_001]

Maybe Rivens should add a degree of Base Stats to low tier or "bad" weapons. Something like Kracken: [20% base crit chance+150% crit chance] as a single stat on a Riven. Yes, the numbers are hypothetical so it's not a point of arguement, just an example.

[General_Durandal]

12 hours ago, Her_Lovely_Tentacles said:

Why are you looking for these extremely specific riven stat combinations?
Also, why do you need that exact fire rate, or that exact status chance, or that exact amount of additional damage?

Having the exact stats of one mod like a 1:1 replacement and just being better isn't what a riven is meant to do.
If you get a good combination of stats, take the riven and adjust your mods around it. Don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

On another note, may I suggest you get an Ignis Wraith? It is a direct upgrade from the regular Ignis. You can usually get them for free by nicely asking in trade chat.

I literally explained everything already in the post.

Already have Ignus Wraith.

[Hobie-wan]

16 hours ago, General_Durandal said:

Would be great if DE gave me a Kuva Refund.

35k+ Kuva on that thing, wasted.

That was entirely your decision.

[Vox_Preliator]

Isn't the entire point of the there being low dispositions that the great weapons that need no help would barely, if at all, benefit from using a Riven compared to a regular mod?  We can argue about the other end of the spectrum and whether or not it's succeeded in its stated goals (it hasn't), but the low end was pretty explicitly supposed to not be worth using for the most part.

Sounds like things are working exactly as intended that it's exceptionally unlikely to get a Riven that is just another mod but even better for a weapon that is both easy to use and very effective with relatively little investment past the initial.

[Xzorn]

It's kinda worse odds than you stated. You need +%Crit Dmg, +%Multishot +%Firerate / Punch-Through with a neg to beat Primed Shred.

The odds are so ridiculously stacked against you it's pointless to try. Ignis is my most used weapon by a huge margin and I just delete the Rivens.

Riven Disp should range no further than 0.7 - 1.2 outside that the weapon itself should be changed.

[Dragazer]

Whats the point of 0.5 dispo rivens even existing if our normal mods totally outclass them?

[Autongnosis]

il y a 6 minutes, Dragazer a dit :

Whats the point of 0.5 dispo rivens even existing if our normal mods totally outclass them?

That, agent, is the right question.