Moving galvanised mods to arbitrations just kills any excitement I had for them.

[drsnivy]

10 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

Have a nice day.

My best guess is resource drop booster, leaving the vitus on the ground, waiting for shriveled wrinkle cat to give you the buff 4 times, then picking it all up.
But you don't get nearly as many drones in solo, so you'd probably get 1/4 of that which is still a considerable amount but probably not very fun given there's piss all enemies spawning in solo.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

21 minutes ago, drsnivy said:

My best guess is resource drop booster, leaving the vitus on the ground, waiting for shriveled wrinkle cat to give you the buff 4 times, then picking it all up.
But you don't get nearly as many drones in solo, so you'd probably get 1/4 of that which is still a considerable amount but probably not very fun given there's piss all enemies spawning in solo.

Yes completely agreed with solo being bad which is why I was saying "only if you don't know what you're doing" cos doing solo arbitration isn't exactly efficient therefore not a smart idea. There's a bit more to it in terms of how we did that but you'll have to excuse me for not divulging as I don't particularly want to see it nerfed. And we didn't leave it on the ground that long honestly, 1x cat buff was usually enough to prompt picking it up, 2 was considered lucky, we were just killing very fast. That hour, was about 150 waves of defense.

[Deminisis]

Steel essence is at least consistent and offers daily alerts for more.

I can go 10-20 minutes in arbitration survival and not see a single vitus essence drop.

Lets also not forget we only get one arbitration mission a hour when we can choose whatever mission we like in SP.

[drsnivy]

2 minutes ago, -CdG-Zilchy said:

doing solo arbitration isn't exactly efficient therefore not a smart idea. 

And that's why I consider steel path better, you aren't forced to play in groups if you want good spawnrates for the drones lol.
And it is probably for the best you don't say anything about how you farmed it, because DE are hitting steel essence hardcore farm in the kneecaps. but casual farm is getting better so idk, kind of a win.

[Kraethius]

I can certainly understand why they moved the mods to Arbies. However, the drop rate of Vitus is garbage and they'd better goddamn majorly buff it.

 

Edit: Coming from a solo perspective, that is.

[MouadSaqui]

DE does A, you complain about it and ask for B, DE actually change A to B, than you complain about it being B and ask for A back ??? You guys are just looking for things to complain about at this point

[drsnivy]

15 minutes ago, MouadSaqui said:

DE does A, you complain about it and ask for B, DE actually change A to B, than you complain about it being B and ask for A back ??? You guys are just looking for things to complain about at this point

You do realise that people who are happy with a change are unlikely to post about how much they like the change?
You're implying that I ever wanted galvanised mods moved to arbitration shop, which I did not.

[(XBOX)l Saminator l]

I was happy seeing the galvanised mods be a part of steel path. Playing high level content in order to get more powerful mods, that's what you'd expect from most games. Harder enemies = better rewards. 

Steel path really needed this too because it just lacks so many good rewards. Most people farm it to get steel essence for kuva and Riven mods, which personally I don't really need, so naturally I lacked any real incentive to go there. 

With the galvanised mods being there, I finally had a reason to do more steel path, but now they've been moved due to too many complaints. 

[NIX-01]

13 hours ago, drsnivy said:

Arbitrations compared to steelpath:

• Vitus essence is around 12 guaranteed per 60 minutes VS 24-ish steel essence (affected by boosters and kavats meaning it can be significantly larger than garbitration)
• arbitrations have default solo enemy spawn rates VS steel path where you’re rarely ever out of enemies to kill. That makes arbitrations Arbitrash because you’re asleep for 99% of the time.
• arbitrations are a randomised gamemode, meaning when you log on it’s very often not a gamemode you’d ever want to play (I like Survival and hate defense, interception, defection and excavation, so it’s almost always “oh this gamemode sucks so I won’t bother with arbitration) VS steelpath, which is ANY gamemode at any time, play when you want to no bullS#&$.
• droptablesfor arbitration are filled with arcanes, mods, seeding step ephemera and aura forma blueprints. No one ever wants these once they have them, move them to the arbitration store there is absolutely zero justification for these in the drop table for arbitration, move them to the store like the other mods are.
• you have one life, and you get less rewards than the “”Hard mode”” that you can revive multiple times in, significantly less rewards.

 

Vitus essence from all sources (besides the 3x you get from drop tables) needs to be AT LEAST DOUBLED. enemy spawn rates need to be the same as steel path, in fact, spawn rates should be steel path spawn rates IN EVERY MISSION.

alternatively, just put the damn galvanised mods back in the gamemode that is not boring, unrewarding, and timegated RNG. OR JUST HAVE IT IN BOTH.

also the warframe boosts are almost never a warframe I’d want to play and absolutely never a weapon I use, although I see that more as a bonus.

and don’t you DARE make steel path less rewarding because arbitration sucks, make arbitration fun and rewarding to match steel path so that people that hate steel path have an alternative, and people that play steel path don’t have to experience garbitration/arbitrash economy.

Really hate the galvanised mods move, you really suck when you do this kind of thing, stop moving good rewards to the worst game modes when you had it right the first time.

Couldn't agree more, this turn me down about next update!!! I will pay for this mod than farm from arbitration.

[T-Shark69]

13 hours ago, drsnivy said:

you have one life, and you get less rewards than the “”Hard mode”” that you can revive multiple times in, significantly less rewards.

I don't agree with this one. I get a lot of rewards from playing Arbies compared to SP and Vitus Essence can be used to buy more things compared to Steel Essence. Getting 4 times more SE than VS isnt really worth S#&$ to me if im just gonna waste it all on Kuva. 

Arbies have problems with time-gating, mission variance and enemy density but are way better rewards wise compared to SP and even more so with Galvanized mods been added to the store.

[Jarriaga]

3 hours ago, drsnivy said:

It's not that it's bad to have it in Arbitration because Arbitrations are a bad concept;
It's that arbitrations are the same level as Steel path almost, but you get MUCH LESS Vitus compared to steel essence,  it's a lot more boring because it has default solo spawn rates, and you can't choose what gamemode you want to play, you're stuck with whatever the arbitration chooses every hour.
It's not that Arbitration is like defection where it'll never be good, it's just DE has neglected and refused to make it good since they moved on to other content.

I am aware of all of that and still think it's fine. It'll be slower, but fine. As for your individual points:

3 hours ago, drsnivy said:

It's that arbitrations are the same level as Steel path almost, but you get MUCH LESS Vitus compared to steel essence,

1) Arbitrations are not the same level as TSP. Not only do they start 40 levels below, but enemies don't have booster armor, HP, or shields. They are sortie enemies and die as wet tissue when drones are not around to protect them. If anything, the altered mission rules are a higher level. But not the enemies.

2) Honest question: How much time do you think it should take you to get these mods? I think the equivalent of 1 hour each is fine. 

Comparing Vitus vs. Steel essence numbers in the context of these mods implies you want them as soon as they drop and would have an issue if it's not as fast as what TSP could be. 

3 hours ago, drsnivy said:

 it's a lot more boring because it has default solo spawn rates

TSP is the only gamemode in the entire game that doesn't follow these spawn patters. Using the outlier as the basis for your argument is disingenuous. 

3 hours ago, drsnivy said:

and you can't choose what gamemode you want to play, you're stuck with whatever the arbitration chooses every hour.

That is intentional. Just like there are people who only play TSP survival and interception, people would only do Arbitrations Excavation or Interception if given the chance. DE don't want people ignoring content. If this game was relegated to only adding things or expanding on things they like and nothing more then the entire game would be nothing more than exterminate and capture.

3 hours ago, drsnivy said:

It's not that Arbitration is like defection where it'll never be good, it's just DE has neglected and refused to make it good since they moved on to other content.

Defection is in TSP also. It's only deemed "bad" because it's an escort mission that requires healing to protect the defectors. It's a breeze of a gamemode if you stay with them from A from point B and bring a healing ability. Not liking an escort mission doesn't make it bad per se, just not your taste.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

55 minutes ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

You got lucky with RNG while also abusing mechanics you're even afraid to mention, because they're obviously unintended, congratulations for making your point worse, lol.

Your experience, is less of 1% of the playerbase.

Sadly @[DE]Rebecca wings are clipped since she's not allowed to reveal how awful rng is regarding vitus essence, and people hail steel path as the end all, despite forgetting that steel path literally started the same way AND WORSE since it's launch, before it was changed.

And instead of people doing the right thing and supporting the right causes, a rework of unrewarding experiences, they throw a tantrum thinking everything is going to fix itself. With people like you making it WORSE by running around showing the same screenshot since launch claiming everything is fine. "Here, i had this one or few time(s) I was blessed abusing the game"

🤦

"I hate everything's endless"

Speak up in the right place

"I hate rng based resources"

Speak up in the right place

"I hate the spawns"

Speak up in the right place

"I hate no variation in levels"

Speak up in the right place

"I hate no variation in mission diversity"

Speak up in the right place

LOL average vitus essence per hour was around the 130 mark when I was doing runs with my clan mates. And you're damn right I'm going to protect how we did it, otherwise idiot youtubers will make it meta then everyone will do it and it will be nerfed. We didn't exploit anything in terms of increasing our loot and you're free to figure it out and reap the rewards.  I couldn't care less how Steel Path was, is or will be, I'll play the missions if I want the gear behind them, that's kinda how games work. 

As for your little mantra at the end there, I have an alternative phrase for you. Instead of "speak up in the right place" how about, "stop wasting your time on something you clearly don't enjoy and go play something else".

Oh and since you want to claim it's "lucky" and just the 1 screenshot... here you go buddy, have 2 more different ones. Read it and weep.



Now go and sit in the corner.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

2 minutes ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

Again, thank you for proving it more and more and deciding on nonsensical responses, please continue. I'm listening and live in the forums right now!

You're the one that accused me of luck mate and stuck your beak into a conversation I was having with someone else, I'm defending myself when attacked. It's not my fault you can't hack it. Have a nice day and don't forget to go and cry on the forums some more.

[(XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom]

1 hour ago, (XBOX)TyeGoo said:

You got lucky with RNG while also abusing mechanics you're even afraid to mention, because they're obviously unintended, congratulations for making your point worse, lol.

Your experience, is less of 1% of the playerbase.

Have a guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onAkuumVeMJFyv5TpF3uVeXeaKcNFPo1WB09iJSZuSA

[SneakyErvin]

14 hours ago, Jarriaga said:

I think this is fine. Acquisition will be slower, but having them as Arbitration rewards:

- Adds more value to Arbitration. It lost most of its purpose and value when The Steel Path was added.

- Pushes Arbitration as a stop-gap that rewards you with things that will get you ready for TSP.

- You don't waste Steel Essence in the mods. You save it all for the Arcane slots and other SP-exclusive rewards.

It's not convenient, but I think it's fine. That is, assuming these are added to the Arbitrations shop rather than the drop tables.

It adds zero value to arbitrations if you are already comfortably doing SP. There is zero reason to go back there for these mods. This applies for point 1 and 2.

Point number 3 is just total backwards thinking. You lose a massive amount of SE by simply going back to grinding Arbis for these mods because you get zero Essence in arbitrations. At the same time you also halt all progression towards ranged weapon arcanes, since no acolytes spawn in Arbis.

There is zero excuse for this change. If they were added to Arbis in addition to Steel Path it would have been a great sensible change. As it is now it just a massive joke that further gives the feel of DE being totally disconnected with the gameplay loop.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)TheWayOfWisdom said:

Have a guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1onAkuumVeMJFyv5TpF3uVeXeaKcNFPo1WB09iJSZuSA

Nah mate it's pure luck didn't you hear what he said? /s

[-CdG-Zilchy]

1 minute ago, SneakyErvin said:

There is zero excuse for this change. If they were added to Arbis in addition to Steel Path it would have been a great sensible change. As it is now it just a massive joke that further gives the feel of DE being totally disconnected with the gameplay loop.

Let's not forget that they changed it due to the overwhelming crying on Reddit. While I agree with you, without that, they'd still be in Steel Path.

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

Oh they moved them to arbis? Are they in the store or drop from rotations? Either way it's annoying cause ut means sisters my attention is split across waay too much with new frame, liches,steel path and now arbis

[-CdG-Zilchy]

Just now, (XBOX)The Neko Otaku said:

Oh they moved them to arbis? Are they in the store or drop from rotations? Either way it's annoying cause ut means sisters my attention is split across waay too much with new frame, liches,steel path and now arbis

I don't think they've announced yet if it's store or drops but I could be wrong.

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

Just now, -CdG-Zilchy said:

I don't think they've announced yet if it's store or drops but I could be wrong.

Everyone is talking as if it's store which makes sense since the rotation drops table is already crowded enough in arbis. But can't find a point of reference of store or rotation drop in the DE post

[Jarriaga]

14 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said:

It adds zero value to arbitrations if you are already comfortably doing SP. There is zero reason to go back there for these mods. This applies for point 1 and 2.

Point number 3 is just total backwards thinking. You lose a massive amount of SE by simply going back to grinding Arbis for these mods because you get zero Essence in arbitrations. At the same time you also halt all progression towards ranged weapon arcanes, since no acolytes spawn in Arbis.

There is zero excuse for this change. If they were added to Arbis in addition to Steel Path it would have been a great sensible change. As it is now it just a massive joke that further gives the feel of DE being totally disconnected with the gameplay loop.

I do not agree with your assessment unless your argument is that you should only be playing TSP and moving on from the rest of the game as a whole, which is not reasonable in my opinion. Adding them to both means people continue to ignore Arbitrations or XYZ non-TSP gamemode the mods would rest in because they flat-out can't compete with Steel Essence farming speed.

[-CdG-Zilchy]

Just now, (XBOX)The Neko Otaku said:

Everyone is talking as if it's store which makes sense since the rotation drops table is already crowded enough in arbis. But can't find a point of reference of store or rotation drop in the DE post

Yeh I've been unable to as well. 

[(XBOX)l Saminator l]

2 minutes ago, (XBOX)The Neko Otaku said:

Everyone is talking as if it's store which makes sense since the rotation drops table is already crowded enough in arbis. But can't find a point of reference of store or rotation drop in the DE post

Someone mentioned that DE Rebecca posted that it will be in the arbitration store, apparently the post is somewhere on reddit, but they forgot to link the post. 

[(XBOX)The Neko Otaku]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)l Saminator l said:

Someone mentioned that DE Rebecca posted that it will be in the arbitration store, apparently the post is somewhere on reddit, but they forgot to link the post. 

Welp spelunking time

[(XBOX)C11H22O11]

1 minute ago, (XBOX)The Neko Otaku said:

Welp spelunking time