Nightwave + alerts removal feedback

[Brorelia]

1 hour ago, Knight_Ex said:

Umm a repeat of all the basic ones, nightmare missions, bounties, caches, spys, etc etc

 

Im actually starting to feel the wear and tear of the grind, Id understand if they were more diverse but these are literally repeats and are uninteresting and seemingly lazy.

Make them to interesting or somewhat challenging like 40 excavators in a single mission and people will complain about them being to hard. We literally had the 40 wave defense changed to 100 eximus last week.

There is no winning over everyone.

Edited April 1, 2019 by Brorelia

[AXCrusnik]

7 minutes ago, (PS4)Mono-Pop said:

Many people may have been happy with alerts, HOWEVER (dramatic AF tone)

The only thing we miss out on is hourly alerts for 80 endo.

Everything that was, is.

🤷🏻‍♂️

I miss treasury alerts (~100k credit reward). IMO they should have tweaked alerts to scale with MR similar to daily logins. I'd much rather do alerts than farm Index everyday for credits. Nightwave doesn't offer any credit rewards either. Maybe they should give us a few thousand credits with each rank up on top of the typical reward.

Edited April 1, 2019 by AXCrusnik

[(PSN)LeBlingKing]

Just now, AXCrusnik said:

Yup, all we can do is give feedback and hope. Hope our specific feedback is part of the majority, hope that the majority is heard, hope that feedback from the majority is acted on with more than "we hear your concerns."

I'm 73% sure the feedback gained from this Nightwave experience is being carried over to the next season. Or, at least, I think that's what Steve said anyway.

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

Just now, Brorelia said:

Make them to interesting like 40 excavators in a single mission and people will complain about them being to hard. We liuterally had the 40 wave defense changed to 100 eximus last week.

There is no winning over everyone.

Im no stranger to grind, but I would detest 40 excavations in a single mission.

My clan had to farm cryotic a few months back... That is a challenge I would gladly decline.

[KnossosTNC]

24 minutes ago, LSG501 said:

I'm already sitting on just shy of 100 kavat dna (alerts :)) and I've got plenty of syndicate standing for relics (although I doubt I'll get all that way). 

Still doesn't change the fact we're 'being forced' to do stuff that in normal terms a higher level or long term player has no need to be doing.  Hell I can't even use my PoE standing on anything 'worthwhile' before doing the missions...

I said they were "examples" for a reason. Find your own way, mate.

And having skipped anywhere between 3,000 to 13,000 points a week and still made it to two week's distance of that armor set, I really don't feel like I'm being "forced" to do anything. I just happen to have some time spare a day to inch my way towards it. All the rewards are just "nice to have" rather than "essential" to me.

As I said previously, there are definitely effort-versus-rewards balance issues with Nightwave, especially with the Alerts-replacing Wolf Creds. But I really don't get the "being forced to do stuff" complaint at all. The system actually has a decent amount of give.

Edited April 1, 2019 by KnossosTNC

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

1 minute ago, (PS4)LeBlingKing69 said:

I'm 73% sure the feedback gained from this Nightwave experience is being carried over to the next season. Or, at least, I think that's what Steve said anyway.

There is a 6 year track record showing that that is indeed how they operate.

[(PSN)LeBlingKing]

Just now, (PS4)Mono-Pop said:

There is a 6 year track record showing that that is indeed how they operate.

sigh

Happy anniversary. Long live the Grind.

[KnossosTNC]

17 minutes ago, (PS4)Deadmennwalking said:

Thanks for the details.

Been searching the net for someone that actually told us poor working folk just what the challenges were this week. Looks all pretty easy. The only challenges requiring players to (or at least being much easier with ) "find a team" being Lua Halls and Orokin vaults.

Again thanks.

Have fun and may RNG be forever in your favor.

Of the seven Halls of Ascension tests, I can solo five of them with no specialised frame. I can also do the Agility one if I must, but it's easier with Zephyr. Only the Cooperative one requires special preparation.

So yeah, not bad at all - for me anyway.

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by KnossosTNC

[(PSN)thecoolman575]

Man people were complaining that the nightwave challenges were too tedious and now we got easier challenges this week but nah we still gotta complain because DE reused them. The heck lol I mean for me grinding in warframe is hella boring so the easier the better I can’t complain

[Gruiz]

18 minutes ago, KnossosTNC said:

Of the seven Halls of Ascension tests, I can solo five of them with no specialised frame. I can also do the Agility one if I must, but it's easier with Zephyr. Only the Cooperative one requires special preparation.

So yeah, not bad at all - for me anyway.

 

You know the one with pipes? You basically can repeat them without needing restarting the mission and its one of the easiest

[(PSN)Deadmennwalking]

4 minutes ago, Gruiz said:

You know the one with pipes? You basically can repeat them without needing restarting the mission and its one of the easiest

Interesting. No doubt a stupid question but .... How?

Have fun and may RNG be forever in your favor.

[KnossosTNC]

2 minutes ago, Gruiz said:

You know the one with pipes? You basically can repeat them without needing restarting the mission and its one of the easiest

That's the Agility one I was talking about. Again, it's... ...not bad. The slightly annoying part is getting to the top after completing it, which is why I try to bring Zephyr for it.

I think the Power, Endurance and Stealth tests are easier. You hardly have to do anything at all in them.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

1 hour ago, LAD.Y said:

i dont know if you mean to come off as blatantly condescending but you kind of do. I appreciate the breakdown but I didn't need the attitude 

Wait, you're not sure if I mean to be condescending, but decided that I have an attitude? 

Does that really make a lot of sense to you? 

I went through the math for you because you said that you would hav me had difficulty figuring out combinations of 1, 3 and 5 that give a total of 13, and gave you all the information I have about the totals and percentages in as simple a way as possible. If you think that was condescending, that's on you.

Maybe try to read it without looking for an attitude and just look at what was actually said. 

[Gruiz]

20 minutes ago, KnossosTNC said:

That's the Agility one I was talking about. Again, it's... ...not bad. The slightly annoying part is getting to the top after completing it, which is why I try to bring Zephyr for it.

I think the Power, Endurance and Stealth tests are easier. You hardly have to do anything at all in them.

You dont need to go to Portal

[KnossosTNC]

10 minutes ago, Gruiz said:

You dont need to go to Portal

Looks like you're right. Completed the Power test along my way through a Lua Spy mission just now. Nightwave marked it as complete without entering the portal.

I suppose you can just repeatedly reset the Agility one by not entering the portal...? To be fair, I was speaking more generally; as "completely" completing the tests.

Edited April 1, 2019 by KnossosTNC

[NezuHimeSama]

I think that pretty much confirms guzman is just trolling hardcore.

[(NSW)Hatemachine]

Out of curiosity, has anyone said or given a functional reason why both systems can't coexist? seems like a pretty easy fix to reintroduce a function that really didnt need to be wholly removed.

And yeah, no shortage of those who would seek to be kings of the refuse heap.

[NezuHimeSama]

Just now, (NSW)Hatemachine said:

Out of curiosity, has anyone said or given a functional reason why both systems can't coexist? seems like a pretty easy fix to reintroduce a function that really didnt need to be wholly removed.

And yeah, no shortage of those who would seek to be kings of the refuse heap.

The issue isn't that alerts were great, the issue is that Nightwave makes the game worse.

We still have fissures, nightmare, kuva, and invasions for alert-like activities, though invasions could use a bit of easing up on the repetition.

[(NSW)Hatemachine]

Ahhh in that camp, see I dont mind it being there, if it could be a background casual reward, but there for ya if your balls out enough to be challenging with rewards that merit the achievement, not condoning 60 min kuva survivals without air tanks, but dude that DID take a little effort, so yeah I'd call that a challenge, both time & boredom are horrible foes, thats why we have gilligans island reruns.

My issue has been the "replacement" after experiencing Rivens, I held no illusion these challenges would be looney.

It could work & be fun, but as it is, its a hamfisted solution to a minor problem that with some creativity could be so much more than it is & in DEs approach to this they broke something that worked on a simple level.

I also dont care for Noras intrusive commenting on how badass I am for throwing out a glyph, or seeing a hovering mouth occupying 50% of My screen, the only time thats normally the case I pay $9.99 a minute.

That aside, if it were less intrusive & didnt eclipse a system people liked, I think this issue would just be the challenge difficulties & people got used to Rivens.

[Kontrollo]

5 hours ago, Cysgodimelt said:

... Now, there is very little reason to run a 60 minute mission ... If DE wants to bring back long running endless missions, it should do so in a way that provides a decent reason, not an overhaul that rep-gates basic game needs such as potatoes and nitain.

I really don't understand why this can't be the reason to run a 60 minute mission once in a while (I don't know when the last time was before that, where I'd spent a significant amount of time in a Kuva Survival).

The standing it gives is pretty much optional, but a decent incentive nevertheless. And there's enough of it to go around without doing any of the Elite Weekly challenges for the "basic game needs" -- you can even reach rank 30.

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

1 hour ago, (PS4)thecoolman575 said:

Man people were complaining that the nightwave challenges were too tedious and now we got easier challenges this week but nah we still gotta complain because DE reused them. The heck lol I mean for me grinding in warframe is hella boring so the easier the better I can’t complain

Little did you know that I am pro Nightwave, I enjoyed it alot for the most part, my only gripe is that they got lazy with this weeks challenges. Its all about diverse challenges for me, its why I put up with these challenges,  but this week just didn't deliver for me.

Edited April 1, 2019 by (PS4)ErydisTheLucario

[Sir_Carl]

How is this different from Alerts rotating the types of missions. psh. This playerbase would never be happy, if you dont like it then do it. bUt I nEeD pOinTs. UGH

[Aldain]

10 minutes ago, Kontrollo said:

I really don't understand why this can't be the reason to run a 60 minute mission once in a while

Because 5k Nightwave standing is worth less than the 60 minute rotations of relics/AABC rewards.

5k Nightwave is worth less than 3 waves of void endless which often give the same number of relics as a Syndicate relic pack for 20k of that standing. 5k Nightwave standing also isn't tangible either, 20 minutes can equal 4 relics in void suvival and however much Kuva that is for Kuva fans. It isn't a good enough incentive when you compare it to any other 5k acts which give the same amount of standing for less consecutive time spent in a mission.

60 minutes in a mission also can have issues of host migration, game crashes, internet failure and whatever other issues can arise. Overall 1 hour of a single mission is something that only a tiny subset of players find enjoyable and worthwhile, and they have been doing hour plus runs for fun, not rewards, on their own time for years.

[Kontrollo]

3 minutes ago, Aldain said:

Because 5k Nightwave standing is worth less than the 60 minute rotations of relics/AABC rewards.

5k Nightwave is worth less than 3 waves of void endless which often give the same number of relics as a Syndicate relic pack for 20k of that standing. 5k Nightwave standing also isn't tangible either, 20 minutes can equal 4 relics in void suvival and however much Kuva that is for Kuva fans. It isn't a good enough incentive when you compare it to any other 5k acts which give the same amount of standing for less consecutive time spent in a mission.

60 minutes in a mission also can have issues of host migration, game crashes, internet failure and whatever other issues can arise. Overall 1 hour of a single mission is something that only a tiny subset of players find enjoyable and worthwhile, and they have been doing hour plus runs for fun, not rewards, on their own time for years.

Of course you still get the Kuva like you would in 4 individual 15 minute runs. The standing is what makes staying longer attractive, and doing that once in a while is a welcome change of pace.

And yeah yeah, those issues that are brought up constantly. Which I do experience from time to time like everyone else. But the vast majority of my games run smoothly. It's just a stand-in for "I don't like this".

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Also, people keep saying you need to average 30k a week, out of 43k, and that's 60%, but it's not. It's 69.76, or 70%.

Let's start with this. I know that some people are bad at math, but it looks like you're bad at actually paying attention to what was written. 

Quote where anyone said that 30k/40k is 60%.

When you realise that you done messed up, again, take a read of this:

3 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well see there are 30 tiers, and at 10k standing per, that adds up to 300k, and each week what we get adds up to a possible 43k, and in 10 weeks that gives us 430k. We were told 10ish weeks when the 60-65% was floated. 

 

Very very simple math puts that at 70% needed per week, before factoring convict captures, with 13k that are beyond what's needed. 

Now if we remember that Nightwave started on Feb 27th, a Wednesday, and all subsequent weeks began on Sundays after that, it suggests that those 4 days aren't being counted. I understand that this matches up with the count that DE has been keeping when they refer to Nightwave. (I can't vouch for that part personally, because I haven't watched a single stream in forever.) 

If that's right then the simple math brings us to 300k out of 473k which brings us squarely into the range of 60-65%.

Prudence suggests that we continue to hold to the 30k minimum out of 43k per week. 

And that's laid out in the post PRIOR to your post, but you can find the information throughout the thread. So please, try to keep up, or at least stop trolling with the reddit math from a month ago that everyone had moved past in the first week of March. 

 

2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Nightwave tells me "kill 150 enemies with Y element", that severely restricts my arsenal and takes much longer than the majority of alerts did. "find caches in sabotage" means I have to play sabotage a bunch of times, and in a particular way. Unless I happen to want to use those weapons or warframes, or play sabo in that particular manner at some point, it's a chore.

Add in the expiration date, and I can't just leave it for when I do feel like doing it.

You know that you can change the mods on one of your favourite weapons, and change them back after, right? I mean you probably won't find a meta build for using arca plasmor to do a bunch of cold damage, but with a bit of thought you'd figure out how to do it. 

So, I gotta ask, who are you even trying to fool at this point? 

 

2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Alerts didn't contain anything particularly significant 99.9% of the time. of the 0.1% of the time they did, it was almost always some mission of so little significance that I could play it however I liked with whatever weapons or warframe I wanted without issue. 

Thanks for admitting that you just plain ignored the vast majority of the alerts in the old system. Which suggests that you are not interested in the creds store offerings at all. Only the alert type rewards from the tiers. 

That's the part of this whole thing that tells us in your own words that you didn't actually take part in the alerts. This of course paints a lot of what you said in a very different light. Since you don't want those rewards and aren't likely to bother trying to get them, Nightwave-as-a-replacement-for-alerts is a nonissue for you. 

Oh and the last part suggests that you made sure to cheese the very few that you actually bothered to try. So yeah, any effort must be way more than you're used to, right? Is that your real issue with Nightwave? That you would need to make an effort?