Tenno are the bad guys

[ZelUrk]

1 hour ago, Loza03 said:

Plus they do technically run the Relays and there's implications that there are explicitly Tenno-allied colonies we rarely visit, lore-wise, because we try to avoid bringing weapons of war to civilian populations unless necessary, like Cetus or Fortuna, so in a sense we're also a part of the standing military for the Tenno allied state.

Yes, Cetus, an unimportant and relatively poor settlement, has no reason to exist in an area where the Grineer have both land and air superiority unless there is an implied organisation protecting it. And supplying it with tech like these force fields which are unlikely made by fisher Hai-Luk.

This would likely made Tennos secret agents. As they are way too organized. And mercenaries who are way too organized have a habit to turning on their employers so states usually do not let it happen.

 

edit: Or just soldiers actually. As there is nothing secrect about Tenno.

Edited April 24, 2019 by ZelUrk

[Chaemyerelis]

Well at least tenno don't believe in a magic space dad in the clouds that we've never seen.

[Aldain]

3 minutes ago, Chaemyerelis said:

Well at least tenno don't believe in a magic space dad in the clouds that we've never seen.

I assure you there are very few Tenno that don't believe in RNGsus.

[(PSN)FriendSharkey]

I blame the developers..They introduced sleep with Equinox...Why isn't that a status on a mod for the rifles like electricity and toxins by now for us tender hearted freedom fighters is beyond me.....

 

Of course I'm going to take a picture after writing "dork" on their heads with the old mining tool..but, hey they get to live afterwards...

[EmberStar]

8 minutes ago, ZelUrk said:

Yes, Cetus, an unimportant and relatively poor settlement, has no reason to exist in an area where the Grineer have both land and air superiority unless there is an implied organisation protecting it. And supplying it with tech like these force fields which are unlikely made by fisher Hai-Luk.

This would likely made Tennos secret agents. As they are way too organized. And mercenaries who are way too organized have a habit to turning on their employers so states usually do not let it happen.

 

edit: Or just soldiers actually. As there is nothing secrect about Tenno.

Cetus is protected by the Orokin Tower, and the mysterious Unum that apparently controls it.  The forcefields were capable of repelling a frontal attack by a full Sentient.  The corpse of which apparently crashed in the ocean to the west - the giant rib-like structures with flashes of darkness and lightning that you can see when you face out over the ocean in that direction.  All the bones in the plains are just the shards/hanger pets of the main body.  No one outside faction has to supply Cetus with their forcefields.  They are provided by the Tower.  (As for how a tower that the lore openly admits was barely an outpost by Orokin standards could have survived the Sentient attacks after it apparently destroyed entire cities... the lore doesn't explain, except to note that it did happen.)

The Tower itself is alive.  The Unum allows the people of Cetus to harvest materials from the tower, apparently directing them to places where they can take tower blubber and materials without causing permanent damage.  The tower slowly heals itself, providing the Ostrons with an effectively unlimited supply of resources (as long as they don't get greedy and start stripping the tower faster than it can regenerate.)  The Ostrons use the tower-meat and Orokin building materials to maintain Cetus, and sell the excess to the Corpus (who now have NPC merchants and "tourists" standing around the market.)

Fisher Hai-Luk doesn't *need* to know how to maintain the forcefields.  Neither do the salvage crews.  They just need to pay attention when they're climbing the tower, and follow whatever rules exist about where they can place their mining charges to break the hull.  As long as the Unum can keep the Tower itself running, the Ostrons can get by just find with tech that isn't all that much more advanced than sharp rocks tied to sticks.  The Ostron culture doesn't seem to be heavily materialistic, and what tech they do need is easily purchased from the Corpus.  The Corpus themselves seem to be able to slip past the Grineer blockades, but probably don't have a huge incentive to try to force their way in.  Trying to claim territory on Earth would just be declaring war with the Grineer, for one.  For another, they already get their pick of tower salvage in exchange for cell phones and shiny beads.  If the Ostron want to do all the heavy lifting... everyone profits.

[(PSN)abbacephas]

3 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

Shut your mouth, you self-proclaimed vigilante sycophant...costume-wearing freak...wait, your point is valid.

But you are still a freak.

[Gamma745]

OP, I think you miss several off-hand comments and chatter in the game itself. For example, in the Assault mission on the Kuva Fortress, the Grineer was going to use colonies as target dummies for their cannon. If that's what you call "protecting citizen", I'll take my chances with the "murdering terrorist".

[Chaemyerelis]

2 hours ago, Aldain said:

I assure you there are very few Tenno that don't believe in RNGsus.

Lol, touche' 

[Atsia]

5 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

The “Lotus” WOULD brainwash you Into thinking that.

Right before she tried to wipe you from existence as you reached out to her...

I......what even.....we literally have an entire planet inhabited by slaves for the Corpus and Grineer wiping out entire colonies of civilians for no other reason than they're not Grineer. Hell, as another post says, the Kween of the Grineer lets them use random civilian colonies as target practice for their strongholds weaponry. All of their representatives openly admit to and support all of their actions. Those are objective facts. Nothing we've done ever reaches the level of immoral that the people were fighting reach. As Steve himself has said "Tenno aren't the bass guys". I firmly believe we're not 100 percent the good guys, but we're sure as hell a step up towards being decent people.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Atsia

[(PSN)Zero_029]

11 hours ago, C104 said:

Terrorist are characterised by fighting against governments. In the tennos case it is the grenier and corpus, while certanly opressive governments they still protect their citicens.

You need to read your lore.

Neither Grineer or Corpus are governments. Neither of them protect the citizens.

Grineer literally hunt citizens for sport.

Corpus extort, brain shelve, & enslave citizens.

[Loza03]

8 hours ago, ZelUrk said:

Yes, Cetus, an unimportant and relatively poor settlement, has no reason to exist in an area where the Grineer have both land and air superiority unless there is an implied organisation protecting it. And supplying it with tech like these force fields which are unlikely made by fisher Hai-Luk.

This would likely made Tennos secret agents. As they are way too organized. And mercenaries who are way too organized have a habit to turning on their employers so states usually do not let it happen.

 

edit: Or just soldiers actually. As there is nothing secrect about Tenno.

The tech is supplied by the Unum. This is explained in the fish fragments. And it's not a force field, it's a selective tech disabling field - the Unum can disable any tech she doesn't like within the grounds of Cetus. She allows travel in and out from peaceful traders, but doesn't allow the Grineer (or their cybernetics) to function. We're there because the Unum can't extend her protection to the plains themselves meaning that the Grineer can take over the rest of the Plains, thus starving out the people of Cetus who rely largely on the resources of the plains to trade, make their own goods and provide supplemental food. Tower Meat alone likely isn't enough to provide a balanced diet.

And as for the reason they're there? I don't know, probably because they were there first. The Grineer are the aggressors here. We're protecting a state from a much more powerful invading force, despite the pay being far less than the pay that would presumably be offered by the other force. If that's not 'good guy mercenary 101' than I don't know what is. 

Also the 'Way too organised have a habit of turning on their employers'... yeah, that's kind of just... the lore of the Tenno. It's the point I made in my last post - we're doing this partly because we F***ed it up last time. We're cleaning up our own mess.

[Loza03]

11 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said:

The “Lotus” WOULD brainwash you Into thinking that.

Right before she tried to wipe you from existence as you reached out to her...

Point of note:

Those are Hunhow's fragments. Each sentient has distinct, recognisable features. Hunhow, for example, is a lot smoother and more 'abstract' in his appearance than other Sentients, with a primary colour scheme of Red. Lotus looks almost 'fleshy' and is primarily purple. The Eidolon uses the base structure of biological rules (four Limbs, faces, and so forth) but doesn't restrict itself to typical biological limits - for example some fragments can just be heads, or the purpose of the arms and legs are swapped. Stuff like that.

The things firing at you at the end of the Sacrifice are Mimics, which have the tell-tale aesthetic of Hunhow. Given that Fragments are basically just rayman arms of an individual Sentient, that means that Lotus wasn't in control of them. Hunhow took that shot, not her.

[Space0ddity]

I really like the antihero dynamic because it's actually close to what people actually do and how they behave.

[Fishyflakes]

Maybe there are no good guys.

[(PSN)Silverback73]

5 hours ago, Atsia said:

I......what even.....we literally have an entire planet inhabited by slaves for the Corpus and Grineer wiping out entire colonies of civilians for no other reason than they're not Grineer. Hell, as another post says, the Kween of the Grineer lets them use random civilian colonies as target practice for their strongholds weaponry. All of their representatives openly admit to and support all of their actions. Those are objective facts. Nothing we've done ever reaches the level of immoral that the people were fighting reach. As Steve himself has said "Tenno aren't the bass guys". I firmly believe we're not 100 percent the good guys, but we're sure as hell a step up towards being decent people.

Steve/DE also said “Lotus” isn’t the bad guy.

But what is...*AHEM* what WAS Lotus?

She was the Supreme Infiltrator Construct that represents what the Sentients do best...turn out tech against us.  Natah assimilated transference tech and took our memories and dreams and had us peeling grapes for her.  Ballas, too.  She did this so well she believed she was Lotus to avoid detection.  But she knew she be awakened by Ballas.

And now stepmom-Natah is awake.  And tried to disintegrate us.

We were the scalpel that allowed the Entire Solar System to fall into a dark age.  

She woke us back up to make sure that no real threats would materialize and destabilization. Would be maintained for the pending invasion.  As Lotus, she might have believed it was to protect us so that we believed the same.

“Dream...not of what you are, but what you want to be.”

Natah is the evolution of her father’s purpose.

The thing about dreams?  Eventually you wake up to the reality of what you are.

[Kerthis]

Agression, wars, politics, acts of terrorism.. its all about the control and who holds it.

[SenariousNex]

Tim Minchin - The Fence

[Veridian]

I am the love child of Hitler and Han Solo

[Sloan441]

Good...bad...I'm the tenno with the gun. 

 

[aswitz87]

We really teenagers trying to save the galaxy.  Of course we are going to make many wrong turns.

[SneakyErvin]

21 hours ago, C104 said:

What makes a terrorist?

What does ISIS do that makes them terrorists?

Assasinations
Mass exterminations
Interception and stealing of data
Attacking high intrest targets (such as spy vaults)
Freeing their fellow criminals
Capturing hostages
Having a central command figur 

What do the Tenno do?

Assasinations
Mass exterminations
Interception and stealing of data
Attacking high intrest targets (such as spy vaults)
Freeing their fellow criminals
capturing hostages
Having a central command figur (lotus)

You can clearly see the similaritis beetween the two terrorist organistions, but there is more!

 Not really as simple as that. There is a major difference, terrorists tend to target civilian targets... to you know... terrorize and spread... you guessed it, terror!

The tenno are more like a future UN force but with balls and not restricted by "fire if fired upon". They are also not mercs, they are mediators in the invasion scenarios, all in order to keep a galactic balance since the fall of the orokin set everything into a chaotic motion across the star system. The Syndicates are questionable, atleast some, to a point. But they arent the same as a crime syndicate. They are more like small nations or tribes trying to get by among the galactic dictatorships of the Grineer and Corpus.

All targets we attack are military targets. There is no happy problem solving experiements being done by the grineer in their labs, it is only for the queens and then maybe some lucky grineer chump in the end, if he hasnt ended up as a dinner "guest" already. Corpus are paramilitary religious nutjobs where their god is profit. Both Grineer and Corpus fall under some hybrid dicta-terrorism constalation. They terrorize the free people, forcing the tenno to intervene. They try to take outposts or full planets from people that have no military forces, from people that have tried to break free from the two factions. This also being a factor in why the tenno help one of the two factions at time, which one will be less of a risk for the planet if left alive?

[Mak_Gohae]

the story of this game is stupid.

The story of this game is: The orokin creates something.... then it rebels against them. That's it.

It's just a bunch of groups fighting each other because they are no longer working for some one.

This is why you need bosses.

[(NSW)Evilpricetag]

Idk killing those non hostile Grineer workers is going a little overboard... 

We were about to be enslaved..

To be fair everything we come across after waking up is automatically hostile. 

[George_PPS]

From my perspective, we Tennos are fighting for freedom. 

[HexOmega111x]

OP just forgot the initial step before building its theory. Learning the lore.