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the frame is so overpowered for almost all content(not including eidolons and profit taker) that its not even fun to run around hydron leveling anymore, you go in there youll most likely 9/10 times. if u go to onslaught its about 99% of the time theres a saryn right there with you. im not saying nerf her into the ground but come on shes clearly overpowered to the point everyone just uses her as a nuke and it ruins the point of the co-op squad. am i wrong? whats other peoples thoughts on this?

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ReaverKane

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Why not let them fix the actual unplayable frames before you start worrying with the warframes you're just annoyed because you can't be a "hero" when they're around.

FYI, i can outdamage Saryin with Volt and Equinox easily on Onslaught and on Hydron, and Volt is actually awesome for Eidonlons.
Also, i've out-damaged good Saryn players with Ember on Exterminates in that last year.

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It does make me feel bad to play as a Saryn and pretty much ruin my teammates' fun, but given her current state, she's just nigh perfect for ESO. This overpoweredness is also a curse: low level enemies die too quickly, and a Saryn player will be expending energy often to recast spores, and not just killing and spreading spores like how it's supposed to be. At this point, I'd only take Saryn on missions with definitely high level mobs, and nothing else.

A possible rework for this might be to have spore damage scale off of enemy level, but that might make Saryn seem like an "easy-mode" frame.

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She is doing Aoe DPS...that is her role. But so does Mesa, Volt (yes who woul thought he can do more than just run, right?), Or Equinox...

If you Nerf her other frame will just replace her. Look at how Ember ended.  Even Hyldrin can do more dmg than Ember now.

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I dont ever in the history of warframe was a frame reworked for being too powerful. Therefore, it make no sense for saryn to be the first. 

Is she strong? Yes. But, her strength is conditional on tileset locations. As for hydron missions and the like, if you’re at hydron its to level. I fail to see the issue with saryn giving you free xp hella quickly when the whole point is ti get xp. 

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1 minute ago, (PS4)CommanderC2121 said:

I dont ever in the history of warframe was a frame reworked for being too powerful. Therefore, it make no sense for saryn to be the first. 

Is she strong? Yes. But, her strength is conditional on tileset locations. As for hydron missions and the like, if you’re at hydron its to level. I fail to see the issue with saryn giving you free xp hella quickly when the whole point is ti get xp. 

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Cibyllae

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Wow reworked for the third time?

This frame has had 3 iterations already and you want to change her AGAIN?

We are here because people like you have asked for changes repeatedly for this frame, STOP. Its textbook insanity. 

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Zelmen

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1 hour ago, agentkido said:

that its not even fun to run around hydron leveling anymore

I very rarely find Saryn there. Only place I find her common is onslaught and that because after 100 runs it's just the easiest one to play to zone 8. If you really have an issue, make a group ahead of time. I have a huge bias against limbo players ruining my experience in the game but I'm not making posts like this. I either leave or deal with it.

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4 minutes ago, Zelmen said:

I very rarely find Saryn there. Only please I find her common is onslaught and that because after 100 runs it's just the easiest one to play to zone 8. If you really have an issue, make a group ahead of time. I have a huge bias against limbo players ruining my experience in the game but I'm not making posts like this. I either leave or deal with it.

Limbo is hands down is the worst frame to be matched with, that is unless is a sortie defense. 

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7 minutes ago, (PS4)Mordecai_Vrykul said:

sortie defense

There is a few other places you run into NPC defense and hands down a limbo that knows how to banish is god level there. Rescues are also awesome.

9/10 times that frame is abused, large bubbles on defense so no damage is being done dragging out missions, AFK in rifts, banishing players to be trolls (I report those), Leaving bubbles up on mobile defense so you can interact with the console, S#&$ I am ranting...

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There is a few other places you run into NPC defense and hands down a limbo that knows how to banish is god level there. Rescues are also awesome.

9/10 times that frame is abused, large bubbles on defense so no damage is being done dragging out missions, AFK in rifts, banishing players to be trolls (I report those), Leaving bubbles up on mobile defense so you can interact with the console, S#&$ I am ranting...

i was running a invasion defense on the Jupiter tile set the other day and some terrible limbo player kept setting up these giant bubbles in the middle of the room. Trying to kill anything took so freaking long......

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There is objectively nothing wrong with Saryn's abilities. The synergy between each of her abilities is what other frames should hope to achieve. 

What IS wrong with Saryn (in my opinion) is that she can do it all... she has huge area of effect damage spread while also having the same stats as a tank.

Saryn is capable of massive damage output, but doesn't suffer the stereotype of "glass cannon" like our other damage frames. Compare if you will the stats for Volt, Ember, and Saryn:

Volt

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Base

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 150 (450 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 15
  • Energy: 100 (150 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 150 (450 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 100
  • Energy: 200 (300 at rank 30)

Ember

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Base

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 100
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 125
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Saryn

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Base

  • Health: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 225
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 300
  • Energy: 200 (300 at rank 30)

Comparing the base stats of these frames are hilarious the differences between them all.

If you're proposing a nerf for Saryn, then leave her abilities alone - they are fine. Focus on reducing her base stats, specifically armour. Otherwise you will have Ember 2.0 all over again.

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Miyabi-sama

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39 минут назад, TehGrief сказал:

Focus on reducing her base stats, specifically armour.

Her armor value was iirc ~700 at level 30 before the reworks.

And Volt is being versatile (as you may see some hints for newbies).

Saryn is all about speading and dealing damage. People use Saryn to dispatch non-boss or objective mobs quickly. Other people don't like it because they can't get kills.

I don't know if that is some kind of vile conspiracy against tryhards in this game who wreck piles of mobs to be effective, or just folk's ignorance about different playstyles and how other people might like to play the game, but base stats don't matter in this case.

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Azrael_V

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3 hours ago, agentkido said:

the frame is so overpowered for almost all content(not including eidolons and profit taker) that its not even fun to run around hydron leveling anymore, you go in there youll most likely 9/10 times. if u go to onslaught its about 99% of the time theres a saryn right there with you. im not saying nerf her into the ground but come on shes clearly overpowered to the point everyone just uses her as a nuke and it ruins the point of the co-op squad. am i wrong? whats other peoples thoughts on this?

Levelling on Hydron? Sanctuary Onslaught? Are you kidding me? What do you think people are doing there?

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1 hour ago, TehGrief said:

There is objectively nothing wrong with Saryn's abilities. The synergy between each of her abilities is what other frames should hope to achieve. 

What IS wrong with Saryn (in my opinion) is that she can do it all... she has huge area of effect damage spread while also having the same stats as a tank.

Saryn is capable of massive damage output, but doesn't suffer the stereotype of "glass cannon" like our other damage frames. Compare if you will the stats for Volt, Ember, and Saryn:

Volt

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Base

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 150 (450 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 15
  • Energy: 100 (150 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 150 (450 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 100
  • Energy: 200 (300 at rank 30)

Ember

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Base

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 100
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 125
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Saryn

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Base

  • Health: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 225
  • Energy: 150 (225 at rank 30)

Prime

  • Health: 125 (375 at rank 30)
  • Shield: 100 (300 at rank 30)
  • Armor: 300
  • Energy: 200 (300 at rank 30)

Comparing the base stats of these frames are hilarious the differences between them all.

If you're proposing a nerf for Saryn, then leave her abilities alone - they are fine. Focus on reducing her base stats, specifically armour. Otherwise you will have Ember 2.0 all over again.

I find this too be an issue across all frames. Most frames stats seem to be highly arbitrary. Saryn definitely is in the winning group. But I would argue he stats are more realistic for a frame geared to be a dps frame, while volt stats are not, even though he plays mostly as either melee or short range. And overall, there is an issue for suvivability for most frames that rely on shields. Even though, they rarely deal more damage.

I was leveling mag prime yesterday and considering her play style requiring tons of mobility, a movement speed of 1.0 makes no sense. Leveled up trinity the week before, a super tanky heal frame that does not require a fraction of the mobility, but has a movement speed of 1.1. Why? I dunno.

As for the original poster, whenever I see leveling and frames balance put in the same argument, I know something absolutely illogical is coming. 

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5 minutes ago, Miyabi-sama said:

Playing solo not trying to bother themselves with recruit chat.

Either that or farming.

Yeah. But I guess the OP loves both missions unlike alot of players who want to get them done quickly and efficiently. 

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3 hours ago, ReaverKane said:

Why not let them fix the actual unplayable frames before you start worrying with the warframes you're just annoyed because you can't be a "hero" when they're around.

As much as i agree with this, the truth is Saryn (and maybe Equinox) is OP. Her effectivenss in Elite Sanctuary is proof. Enemy lvl scales too fast, yet their dps remains constant (and HIGH). Are underpowered frames? Yes, specially Vauban and Atlas. That doesn't change that Saryn is way over the top in the dps front.

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4 hours ago, agentkido said:

the frame is so overpowered for almost all content(not including eidolons and profit taker) that its not even fun to run around hydron leveling anymore, you go in there youll most likely 9/10 times. if u go to onslaught its about 99% of the time theres a saryn right there with you. im not saying nerf her into the ground but come on shes clearly overpowered to the point everyone just uses her as a nuke and it ruins the point of the co-op squad. am i wrong? whats other peoples thoughts on this?

She is a specialist frame in only few mission types. If you can’t out damage the frame, why  not try her? Few other frames can also work as well too. What’s your best dps frame? Should we nerf that frame because the frame is doing too well? Give the community a break and stop asking to nerf this or that because of your own poor loadouts. 

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13 hours ago, el_chanis said:

As much as i agree with this, the truth is Saryn (and maybe Equinox) is OP. Her effectivenss in Elite Sanctuary is proof. Enemy lvl scales too fast, yet their dps remains constant (and HIGH). Are underpowered frames? Yes, specially Vauban and Atlas. That doesn't change that Saryn is way over the top in the dps front.

Again, that's not really true. She's not over the top. She's specialized.
Like i said, depending on the map, and the person playing Saryn, you can out-dps her with an Ember in Extermination missions.

She's so effective on Onslaught because she can recast her best DPS move, which unlike most other warframes it's her 1, not her 4, and it has the widest range in every warframe.
Her being "that" effective is kinda debatable, since again, i can outDPS Saryn in ESO with Volt (yes spamming 4 even), and i can definetly do that easily with Equinox.
 

And finally, the game not only allows it, but requires it. I'd like to see anyone go a long way past 8 rounds without Saryn spores or Equinox's Maim. No other abilities scale like those in order for you to get the kills you need in the time allotted. Heck, i've been in groups struggling to finish round 8 without those "broken" warframes that everyone complains about.

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