Slaytanic93 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Following the recent Hotfix, Venari was changed to no longer be able to heal OpLinks, under the justification that OpLinks aren't meant to be affected by any abilities. So far, so good. It's an event, and supposed to bring some challenge, I guess... No big deal. But then apparently the possibility of healing defense targets was also removed, any and all defense targets. Why? This has been a feature since Khora was released, and it was just that, a feature. You guys have listed it as a "fix" to Venari. I am sorry if I come off as rude but it is just ridiculous, I've played this game since 2013 and this is the first time I have been significantly disappointed about a nerf, especially one that comes labeled as a "fix". Please notice this Tip included on the Khora abilities screen. Healing defense objectives has been an intended feature. There is even less reason to change Venari's stance now. Please reconsider this change. As I said, I have no issues with OpLinks, but removing a long time feature from a Warframe that affects the entire gameplay and not just this particular mission is completely unreasonable. This sort of rationale reminds me of Viver... and what happened to poor trinity... but I'd rather not discuss that. In the meantime, some other frames remain mostly broken, the general "meta" unchanged, and somehow Venari is the edge that needed to be cut off the equation. Please, reconsider.EDIT: It appears my topic in Feedback was merged to another (or many) that was located in general discussion. If you see disconnected discussions or repeating posts, that is the reason. Edited April 1, 2020 by Slaytanic93 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 25 minutes ago, Slaytanic93 said: Following the recent Hotfix, Venari was changed to no longer be able to heal OpLinks, under the justification that OpLinks aren't meant to be affected by any abilities. So far, so good. It's an event, and supposed to bring some challenge, I guess... No big deal. But then apparently the possibility of healing defense targets was also removed, any and all defense targets. Why? This has been a feature since Khora was released, and it was just that, a feature. You guys have listed it as a "fix" to Venari. I am sorry if I come off as rude but it is just ridiculous, I've played this game since 2013 and this is the first time I have been significantly disappointed about a nerf, especially one that comes labeled as a "fix". Please notice this Tip included on the Khora abilities screen. Healing defense objectives has been an intended feature. There is even less reason to change Venari's stance now. Please reconsider this change. As I said, I have no issues with OpLinks, but removing a long time feature from a Warframe that affects the entire gameplay and not just this particular mission is completely unreasonable. This sort of rationale reminds me of Viver... and what happened to poor trinity... but I'd rather not discuss that. In the meantime, Saryn remains mostly broken, the general "meta" unchanged, and somehow Venari is the edge that needed to be cut off the equation. Please, reconsider. Have you tried marking the objective to heal it after the changes, because I think the change only applies to the passive aura that is triggered when Venari or Khora dips below 90% HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic93 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, SneakyErvin said: Have you tried marking the objective to heal it after the changes, because I think the change only applies to the passive aura that is triggered when Venari or Khora dips below 90% HP. I have. It doesn't work on stationary defense targets such as Cryopods and Excavators. Edited for clarification of which testing I've conducted. Edited April 1, 2020 by Slaytanic93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syln Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 That's kind of disingenuous from them if that is the case. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shonaney Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 They "fixed" away a indended feature (they even tell about via tips)? Just "fix" the now wrong tip and we are fine... That was something that helped and made the venari not that useless and broken it is most of the time, thanks for that 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather75 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shonaney said: They "fixed" away a indended feature (they even tell about via tips)? Just "fix" the now wrong tip and we are fine... That was something that helped and made the venari not that useless and broken it is most of the time, thanks for that If that is true someone done goofed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tormex_ Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 DE just totally nerfed Venari's heal by preventing her from healing any defense objectives. In their hotfix, they had the acidity to say they 'fixed' Venari even though the tips for Khora clearly stated that this was an intended effect. This is not okay! 65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Rami C G 1989 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Woah. Seriously? Thats the only reason i ever used Venari for. Edited March 31, 2020 by (XB1)Rami C G 1989 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hiero_Glyph Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just like they fixed loot abilities interacting with each other after allowing it for years. Let's just say that DE isn't really aware of what is and is not intended since they apparently don't play the game enough to notice. 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Can't say I'm surprised 😛 I guess they're so bored working from home that they're going back and changing intended features. Even if it's 2 years after something is released and claiming "it's a bug". I keep refreshing the "latest staff replies" tab every few minutes hoping to see what comical reply they give to justify this pointless change or if they'll change Khora's tips in game without mentioning it in patch notes to pretend like it was never there. Edit: For the sake of adding in my own screenshot just in case the above happens. Edited March 31, 2020 by --Brandt-- 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Ok while I agree that this is a BS change that should be reverted immediately. Can we not keep dragging Saryn into every thread involving DE nerfing something that doesn’t need to be nerfed? Edited March 31, 2020 by (XB1)GearsMatrix301 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheePrime Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 It really shouldn't be that shocking. DE always adds new frames and forgets to disable their ability to heal objectives but eventually gets around to it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tormex_ Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, BansheePrime said: It really shouldn't be that shocking. DE always adds new frames and forgets to disable their ability to heal objectives but eventually gets around to it. This feels like it should be sarcastic. Not that many frames have healing abilities. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CopperBezel Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Does the change include human defense targets as in sortie defense and defection? It was always really weird that Khora could heal things Trinity couldn't, but by the same token, it's extremely uncool if she's suddenly limited to healing warframes only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotyke Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 You could use it to heal objectives? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfeather75 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 34 minutes ago, (PS4)Hiero_Glyph said: Just like they fixed loot abilities interacting with each other after allowing it for years. Let's just say that DE isn't really aware of what is and is not intended since they apparently don't play the game enough to notice. It is really obvious that someone with clout on the team does not play the game. And it is really frustrating players en masse. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Hiero_Glyph Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, BansheePrime said: It really shouldn't be that shocking. DE always adds new frames and forgets to disable their ability to heal objectives but eventually gets around to it. Khora was released on 4/20/18. So it took them 2 years to remember that Khora can heal objectives with Venari? 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunishedWelfare Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 This is the loot frame stacking "issue" all over again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Yeah like someone mentioned it's literally in Khoras tooltips and I quote Quote Venari's Heal posture can heal Defense objectives when marked! So clearly not an accidental oversight, have it screenshotted but too lazy to upload atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 that's kind of shady. they should at least explain why they decided to change that, or why they couldn't "fix" it earlier.. maybe if enough Khora mains club together and cause a ruckus they'll add it back? you usually have to be part of a pretty loud group to get noticed around here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tormex_ Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, (PS4)robotwars7 said: that's kind of shady. they should at least explain why they decided to change that, or why they couldn't "fix" it earlier.. maybe if enough Khora mains club together and cause a ruckus they'll add it back? you usually have to be part of a pretty loud group to get noticed around here. It's all part of the plan lol. You and Clem cause a ruckus! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I'd argue that originally intended or not no ability should be able to heal a defense objective. It undermines the idea of defending an objective by letting it facetank damage, the worst case of this is Protective Dash both healing and turning targets invulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargthewarg Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, trst said: I'd argue that originally intended or not no ability should be able to heal a defense objective. It undermines the idea of defending an objective by letting it facetank damage, the worst case of this is Protective Dash both healing and turning targets invulnerable. Why is letting it facetank through healing somehow worse than blocking the damage entirely as some frames can do? 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)LeBlingKing Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Just like they fixed looting abilities interacting with each other, just like they fixed Nyx's Absorb not draining all of its energy when another player shoots into it, just like they fixed Arcane Energize by only allowing you to put only one on a Warframe, and then creating an Arbitration mod that gives you extra energy from an orb when you shoot it, just like they fixed Titania's passive by listening to ONE content creator and making a mod that literally disables the passive in exchange for a copy of Aviator... you get the picture. Edited March 31, 2020 by (PS4)LeBlingKing 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaytanic93 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said: Ok while I agree that this is a BS change that should be reverted immediately. Can we not keep dragging [Redacted] into every thread involving DE nerfing something that doesn’t need to be nerfed? Fair enough, if that's what it takes for others and/or DE themselves to see this thread in a more positive light instead of a whiny rant, then I will remove that specific comment. Thank you for your thoughts. Edited March 31, 2020 by Slaytanic93 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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