Tsukinoki Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 hours ago, 4thBro said: I haven't even fought snake lady yet. But I couldn't even come up with a worse fight than Amar if someone paid me to. So if she's worse, I'll be SINCERELY impressed. Amar is just boring. That's the only thing wrong with him. Other than that he is nice and straight forward and simple. Nira is far worse. Outside of constant annoying toxin procs random amalgam moas can wander into the arena at any time...and those can easily heal nira for over half of her health if you can't insta-kill every enemy around nira constantly...which undoes all of your progress because a moa just walked up to the door and it opened and then topped off her health again, for the sixth time, near instantly. Beyond that as her health drops she can spawn a wave of amalgams, and if she spawns multiple amalgam moas then she'll get near full health before you can kill them all even with AoE weapons that can one-shot them....which just means that by the time you get her down to that low health she could very easily do the same thing again and again. On the other hand if she doesn't summon that specific enemy than the fight takes far less time and is far less annoying....so how bad you find the nira fight is partly up to how RNG feels at the time. Unless you go in specifically with a one-shot build for Nira she is the worst archon fight, and the worst boss fight in the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Krism- Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, 4thBro said: Cuz I don't. Sounds like a skill issue to me Edited June 22, 2023 by -Krism- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felsagger Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 If these fights gives you problems then you should never look towards Sekiro, Elden Ring or any other game that requires mechanical skill. Warframe is a complete casual game. Just watch a youtube guide, build a fair set up and pull the lever of the machine. That's it. 12 minutes ago, -Krism- said: Sounds like a skill issue to me IT IS a skill issue. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeElemental Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 19 минут назад, Tsukinoki сказал: amalgam moas can wander into the arena at any time...and those can easily heal nira for over half of her health So that's how she does it. Interesting. Couldn't find this info on wiki. I take Grendel to Archon fights - will make sure to eat every enemy there from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamingchair1121 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 nira 100% amar is actually the easiest of the archons, only thing he has is the clone thing (idk what its called). just take out your synthesis scanner and spam aim until you find the one that's green, that's the real one. boreal's annoying to fight, but otherwise easy. constant invulnerablility phases, spawning sentients you have to kill (that are also very annoying to kill), spawns a triangle of orbs you have to destroy, constantly pushes you away during those invulnerablility phases... but none of them are as annoying as nira. toxin damage, constant healing if you missed the oneshot, turns you into a statue occasionally, jumps around the map while invulnerable and probably healing as well, spawns sentients you have to kill and heals while you kills them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Unstar Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Of the 3 Archons, Amar is by far my favorite. IMO it was the most reasonable of the 3 fights, both during the New War and after. And there are plenty of bosses in Warframe that are more tedious than even the worst of the Archons (once you have a weapon that accounts for attenuation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 hours ago, (NSW)Greybones said: I don’t remember what the fight was like years ago, not even sure I fought him before my break when I came back in around 2018 for Fortuna, but nowadays I’m not even sure he has any attacks beyond that shockwave clap. I think he spawns Mutalist Ospreys? They’re not hugely scary. He's supposed to have three primary attacks: homing leech missiles, electric orbs, and fire blast. Mutalist ads are supposed to spawn, but at the very edge of the arena and their aggro range is too small to come help Jordas, because Archwing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsukinoki Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 hours ago, CoffeeElemental said: So that's how she does it. Interesting. Couldn't find this info on wiki. I take Grendel to Archon fights - will make sure to eat every enemy there from now on. Just be ready for when she summons allies as she can randomly summon amalgam moas...and their first action upon spawning is to use their heal ability. Pure RNG dice roll on when she summons things on whether it'll prolong the fight or not.. Sometimes you get lucky and no amalgam moas appear and she goes down nice and fast. Other times you get unlucky and the fight just becomes annoying and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thBro Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Felsagger said: If these fights gives you problems then you should never look towards Sekiro, Elden Ring or any other game that requires mechanical skill. Warframe is a complete casual game. Just watch a youtube guide, build a fair set up and pull the lever of the machine. That's it. IT IS a skill issue. Period. Those games aren't as skill-intensive as people make them out to be. But after typing a whole response, I've decided to delete it, because this conversation isn't going to accomplish even a single petty thing, let alone anything else. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Joylesstuna Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Boreal is much worse Imo. He uses invulnerability moves back to back to back and spawns the worse sentient enemies. Edited June 22, 2023 by (PSN)Joylesstuna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mieo_Mio Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Pretty much all warframe bosses suck. They're all counter intuitive, vastly unclear and not very engaging. Imo all bosses regardless of the game should never be completely invulnerable. It cheapens the experience by effectively saying to the player "wait now" how is this phase of gamplay defined as anything other than bad? (Having to Reposition for a clear shot is fine.) I'd go so far as to say Kullervo is the best boss fight in the game so far... only took 10 years to do it. Edited June 22, 2023 by Mieo_Mio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupernovaSymphony Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 Amar is the least painful one tbh. he dies pretty easily, doesnt CC you too hard and doesnt heal as well as nira does. Nira is by the far the worst one to fight, followed by boreal as his sentients SUCK to kill and he just spams CC on you, and amar is... well less bad than the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thBro Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Seems pretty consistent that people think Nira is the worst. Actually interested in seeing her, lol. What I hate about Amar is the constant invuln phases. I had a match where he was bouncing them for 5 straight minutes, just back & forth. And then he's also kind of annoying to try to headshot, as he's constantly bobbing up and down, and doing full-screen slams and S#&$... Just TOTALLY obnoxious. But also consistent, people are saying Owl is second most annoying. He seemed totally trivial to me. His head is ALWAYS easy to hit, and his sentients... well they were kind of annoying, but I'm assuming I just don't know their mechanic. I've been in groups that seemed to "shatter" that deflective shield instantly, so clearly I just don't know something. I dunno, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NekroArts Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Boreal and it's mostly because the fight can happen in this tile on top of the roof. Such an annoying place to fight. Spoiler Edited June 23, 2023 by NekroArts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synfaer Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 My friend, says it Phorid When he logs into the assassination mission he cannot ever find it, just hears a voice telling him to proceed to the exit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPrime96 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 hours ago, synfaer said: My friend, says it Phorid When he logs into the assassination mission he cannot ever find it, just hears a voice telling him to proceed to the exit Same thing happens with Sergeant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant99999 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, GPrime96 said: Same thing happens with Sergeant This made me think DE should make an easter egg where sometimes the Sergeant just leaves before you fight him. Lotus: "I think the assassination target has just got intel on your equipment and is currently abandoning ship. We're receiving fragments of their communications mentioning "having known volunteering in the army was a mistake" and "starting a peaceful life as a farmer". Excellent work, Tenno!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenthPrime Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) On 2023-06-22 at 5:25 AM, 4thBro said: I haven't even fought snake lady yet. But I couldn't even come up with a worse fight than Amar if someone paid me to. So if she's worse, I'll be SINCERELY impressed. He was really easy to me, Owl boy was the worst of all. Edited June 23, 2023 by GrenthPrime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)ECCHO SIERRA Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 On 2023-06-22 at 9:24 AM, Tsukinoki said: Amar is just boring. That's the only thing wrong with him. Other than that he is nice and straight forward and simple. Nira is far worse. Outside of constant annoying toxin procs random amalgam moas can wander into the arena at any time...and those can easily heal nira for over half of her health if you can't insta-kill every enemy around nira constantly...which undoes all of your progress because a moa just walked up to the door and it opened and then topped off her health again, for the sixth time, near instantly. Beyond that as her health drops she can spawn a wave of amalgams, and if she spawns multiple amalgam moas then she'll get near full health before you can kill them all even with AoE weapons that can one-shot them....which just means that by the time you get her down to that low health she could very easily do the same thing again and again. On the other hand if she doesn't summon that specific enemy than the fight takes far less time and is far less annoying....so how bad you find the nira fight is partly up to how RNG feels at the time. Unless you go in specifically with a one-shot build for Nira she is the worst archon fight, and the worst boss fight in the game. Yay damage attenuation moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 The toxin one is the worst because it oneshots me just as how I oneshot them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogunGunshow Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Nira is more annoying if you're doing a pug group and not relying on a one-shot strategy, IMO. She heals so darn fast it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learicorn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Nira is much worse, keeps getting stuck in walls and ceilings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash_core Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 The worst fight is by a far stretch the Wyrm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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