KiroTheTraveler Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, PhoenixShadowEvil said: This is my point. I agree but I am excited to see the lore, especially since it is a "dark" frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiroTheTraveler Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, CaptainStrawberry said: Maybe to handle the trauma of wiping the Orokin, The Operator created the "Stalker" and this is the war without... the war without oneself and The Operator accepts himself and merges with Umbra or something like that. The Operator fashioned false memories from the dream world which became a lost fragment and became part of Stalker "A low guardian". Furthermore, what if... what if... The Operator created The Stalker to kill him. Go to the cutscene of where Hunhow is like "You still hate yourself", the way the Hunhow talks is so 3rd person I guess and their is this clear contrast between the Operator and the Stalker while the dialogue is going on. The Operator hated himself and these emotions created a transference fracture like Rell... and the Operator gave the Stalker a purpose, a motivation in order to achieve so. But these are suppressed and long forgotten memories or subconsciously sealed away. Edited March 4, 2018 by CaptainStrawberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CaptainStrawberry said: Furthermore, what if... what if... The Operator created The Stalker to kill him. Go to the cutscene of where Hunhow is like "You still hate yourself", the way the Stalker talks is so 3rd person I guess and their is this clear contrast between the Operator and the Stalker while the dialogue is going on. The Operator hated himself and these emotions created a transference fracture like Rell... and the Operator gave the Stalker a purpose, a motivation in order to achieve so. But these are suppressed and long forgotten memories or subconsciously sealed away. Man, this would be really cool, actually. DE if you're out of ideas, I hope you are reading this thread. Edited March 4, 2018 by Blade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage2K4 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Fishyflakes said: What if Excalibur Umbra is a new kind of steak sauce? Has anyone been able to confirm this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDarknessAlien Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Umbra excalibur is a meme because its is a chinese thing 2015, DE need stop it. Edited March 4, 2018 by PhoenixShadowEvil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)N7_Dredgen Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, NinthAria said: If Ballas could operate a warframe, he wouldn't have kept the Tenno around to begin with. Exactly this. Theory busted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephalonBot Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Th3DarkN3ko said: Instead, What if Excalibur Umbra is actually our newest Mentor, "Operated" by Ballas and/or Marguilus. ... I had an argument to present, but this is mostly S P E C U L A T I O N . DE have already confirmed that Umbra frames will be a new type of Warframe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunJester Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Do you think that the umbra warframe require a regular/prime warframe as a component to build it? excalibur + umbra bp = excalibur umbra excalibur prime + umbra bp = excalibur prime umbra By doing so, the umbra warframe will mimic the previous stat from the original/prime warframe while granting them new ability. This mechanic seem fair to all the new and veteran players without compromising DE promise to the founders. Do you think about this system should be implemented into warframe or DE should think of a better solution to obtain the umbra warframe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiroTheTraveler Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FunJester said: Do you think that the umbra warframe require a regular/prime warframe as a component to build it? excalibur + umbra bp = excalibur umbra excalibur prime + umbra bp = excalibur prime umbra By doing so, the umbra warframe will mimic the previous stat from the original/prime warframe while granting them new ability. This mechanic seem fair to all the new and veteran players without compromising DE promise to the founders. Do you think about this system should be implemented into warframe or DE should think of a better solution to obtain the umbra warframe? It's fair I suppose. What if stats were decided like a riven mod for Umbra's haha Edited March 4, 2018 by CaptainStrawberry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serafinia Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 It takes a lot of time to remodelling the frames and make their umbra version. Probably that's why is delayed and why we waited "whom waited" long enough to this. If they only can present the excallibur umbra then it will be a massive rage. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndermanBeast Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) He’s.... Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler s p a g h e t t Spoiler Spoiler I’ll go now. Edited March 4, 2018 by EndermanBeast 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulHunter2008 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, EndermanBeast said: He’s.... Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents s p a g h e t t Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents I’ll go now. i opened it and i regret nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndermanBeast Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, SoulHunter2008 said: i opened it and i regret nothing ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
---DADDY--- Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Considering the new level of customisation we've had included in warframe just recently, including the ability to craft modular weapons via zaws + amps, and not forgetting the new and improved selection of arcanes + revamp of the arcane system. I think it's safe to say it's highly possible that Umbra Warframes may be something similar in nature. Also, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Stalker is an Umbra, and he has a selection of abilities originally pertaining to other individual warframe which kinda supports this train of thought. So I think we'll see Umbra's being modular to some degree whereby we can customise which abilities they can use. I think that essentially they're going to be far more advanced and "rare" than other warframes including primes, and put an emphasis on customisation pertaining to the individual in question's build preferences. But of course, they'll likely be locked behind some hefty end-game like system of grind so that they don't instantly become the new meta and give people incentive to simply cast aside their "basic" warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
---DADDY--- Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just now, Yung-Azrael said: Considering the new level of customisation we've had included in warframe just recently, including the ability to craft modular weapons via zaws + amps, and not forgetting the new and improved selection of arcanes + revamp of the arcane system. I think it's safe to say it's highly possible that Umbra Warframes may be something similar in nature. Also, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Stalker is an Umbra, and he has a selection of abilities originally pertaining to other individual warframe which kinda supports this train of thought. So I think we'll see Umbra's being modular to some degree whereby we can customise which abilities they can use. I think that essentially they're going to be far more advanced and "rare" than other warframes including primes, and put an emphasis on customisation pertaining to the individual in question's build preferences. But of course, they'll likely be locked behind some hefty end-game like system of grind so that they don't instantly become the new meta and give people incentive to simply cast aside their "basic" warframes. This would also explain why it's taken so long for any real progress to be made with Umbra warframes. The system is potentially so large and game-changing, and includes many other sub-systems that creating it and testing it would be potentially the most grueling task ever carried out by DE thus far. I mean they'd have to test every single combination of warframes abilities alongside operator abilities, companion abilities, arcanes, and their combined effect on every single enemy type, with every single special sortie-like factor, and they'd also have to test larger combinations of these things within squads of 2-4 players. Not to mention the testing actual system of unlocking these modular customisations. So "Umbra" warframes could potentially be the most ambitious addition to Warframe we've seen yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDarknessAlien Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) You're banned from the game for the end user agreement 2035 "You used the Umbra excalibur" Edited March 4, 2018 by PhoenixShadowEvil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunJester Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, CaptainStrawberry said: It's fair I suppose. What if stats were decided like a riven mod for Umbra's haha then we are screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)watt4hem Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, EndermanBeast said: He’s.... Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents %0 Edited March 4, 2018 by (PS4)watt4hem Ah..my post is messed up..mobile forums at its best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndermanBeast Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, (PS4)watt4hem said: Wtf man.. https://i.imgur.com/yo0DsoI.png Don’t ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xgomme Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Imo he's just a story character, sort of "Antistalker" the good version of a hypothetical "sentient frame" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berdfess Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I think Umbra is a desire and it is exciting for people to speculate and look forward to obtaining it, but when they actually get it, they will put some forma on it, fashion frame it up and forget about it. It's fun to want it, it's gonna be boring when you get it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, CaptainStrawberry said: Furthermore, what if... what if... The Operator created The Stalker to kill him. Go to the cutscene of where Hunhow is like "You still hate yourself", the way the Stalker talks is so 3rd person I guess and their is this clear contrast between the Operator and the Stalker while the dialogue is going on. The Operator hated himself and these emotions created a transference fracture like Rell... and the Operator gave the Stalker a purpose, a motivation in order to achieve so. But these are suppressed and long forgotten memories or subconsciously sealed away. "Forbidden Planet"...I've had the theory for a long time that Stalker is the compartmentalized, subconscious mess that comes from subjecting child super-soldiers to endless war. Margulis may have filtered the nightmares, but our guilt-driven EGO gave life to the Dread, hate, and despair within us... The hatred of Warframes? The tool that perpetuates a painful existence. That "low guardian" seeing betrayal from afar? Your Guilty (sub)conscience watching from the sleeping safety of Lua. His immunity? You can't use your powers on yourself. Stalker knows where you are because he IS you. Deep down, past the "schooling" and "disciplines" and other constructs that have trained you to making the endless killing acceptable is a vestige of morality and humanity that is deserving of justice and punishment, and at the very least, the destruction of those tools (Warframes) that might grant a release from the tools of bloodletting and a chance at redemption. Stalker doesn't comprehend who or WHAT he is, because, like the doctor at the end of the movie "Forbidden Planet" it means the full realization of who you are, Tenno, and what you have done. You aren't trying to kill yourself (Hence the Second Dream hesitation), but punish yourself and destroy your Warframes. It's a lot better/cooler story of "man vs self" than some angry, lone Dax soldier... Edited March 4, 2018 by (PS4)Silverback73 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)N7_Dredgen Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Yung-Azrael said: Also, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Stalker is an Umbra, and he has a selection of abilities originally pertaining to other individual warframe which kinda supports this train of thought. This has never been confirmed or even remotely implied... Stalker is just a pissed off Low Guardian who got ahold of some Warframe armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapt0rman Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Berdfess said: I think Umbra is a desire and it is exciting for people to speculate and look forward to obtaining it, but when they actually get it, they will put some forma on it, fashion frame it up and forget about it. It's fun to want it, it's gonna be boring when you get it. I mean, if his abilities are even a bit different from standard Excal I'll be pleasantly tickled, but anyone who doesn't already like standard Excal and is excited for his umbra will most likely be setting themselves up for disappointment. But for me, between Dexcalibur coming with the anniversary, and umbra at some point in the horizon, I'm all set :P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennoPain Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 i hope its somethin that devides community like in a huge way for example you can be only prime or umbra dark vs light or he is just an operator that would be boring . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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