trst Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It would have had bugs regardless of how much time DE took with it. It's practically impossible to test for every possibly interaction, gameplay and hardware wise, or every scenario as a live playerbase. Plus we full well know DE doesn't have a dedicated group of play testers nor a test server to find these earlier. Also since the holiday is coming up and soon DE's offices will be more or less entirely empty for an extended period as a result them pushing out what they have now and patch the bugs was essential to get it out before the year is up. I'm not saying it should be acceptable for there to be bugs or anything but to be 100% realistic it was going to release with them regardless of anything DE did. And regarding all the missing features, well, this is exactly what was expected. As soon as they started talking about the actual development of it we knew they had far larger plans for the system and for a long time we knew it was going to be a layered release. We knew we were getting a fraction of a half-baked product and that we're expecting additional fractions of said product for many updates to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbynaru Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, LOD07 said: Interesting...looking back at the over updates we had this year... It's easy to say that rail jack is the best out of all of them. I do have a question though. Since you are one that enjoys this. Why are you playing it. Like because of fun, rewards, etc. I am really curious Well, just like with all previous updates, it was just out of curiosity, but, this quickly evolved into playing for fun. Funny, you mentioned above that we're not used to failure in this game, but to my surprise, I didn't mind any of my failed attempts so far. I always felt like I learned something, and with the intrinsic points carrying over even in failure, it didn't feel like I wasted my time either. It just reminds me of, as I said, playing Everspace, which, in case you don't know, is a rogue-lite, so failure is part of the process in that one as well. But step by step, it feels like I'm moving forward, learning and getting better, all while having quite a lot of fun. So, I dunno, they nailed this one for me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awazx Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 il y a 4 minutes, Bregastor a dit : I don't get all this uproar tbh. If the game mode is not connected to the rest just don't play it if you don't like it incomplete. The same could be said of PoE, Fortuna, Lich and 80% of Warframe missions. The problem is that finally, the argument of "if you don't like it, don't play it" can lead me to leave Warframe completely, because there will be nothing left that I like. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genitive Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, XaoGarrent said: I can't even begin to explain the bugs, because they're so glitchy I'm struggling to come up with words to describe what's going on. You can either post in an appropriate section to help the devs find and fix bugs, or make idiotic joke threads in general discussion when you can be sure they won't look for bugs report. If you can't even begin to describe them, why even bother making a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadwire Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Hey it's warframe. And we are the beta 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colyeses Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The only bugs I've experienced so far are visual, gameplay is smooth as can be, so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivaMain Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said: So far, I've had more fun with this update than many previous ones, and I definitely feel like I'll be sticking around for more. So it's a winner for me. It surprises me they actually made a fun space game, it's been a while since I played one of those. Incidentally, that game, Everspace, is what this game mode reminds me of, particularly the feeling of flight. So, great job on this one DE! P.S. Solo player here. Aye Finally someone who shares the positive opinion on Empyrean as I. Railjack gives the game a new change of pace, which I like because jumping mindlessly shooting and nuking whole maps kinda get boring for a while. If you really hate this update, Just don't play it and never mention it again and go back to standard warframe gameplay. But because this is an internet forum, I and the other people who like this update can't stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uan91 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ah, the usual drama queen posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toran Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) UPDATE As usually I overreacted to DE clumsy Railjack Devstream presentation (they really should work on that). After clearing the first two Empyrean sectors as crewman (gunner/boarding expert), I noticed you get far more ressources than expected and personal skill progress (intrinsics) is rather fast too, I decided to use the best MK2 parts and repair them (even with drones). Then a mate and I teamed up and it quickly became the best fun we had in Warframe in years! Despite the awful bugs, it's a great team experience and has a lot of potential. --------- A dozen new resources... a new currency...new progression system...ammo crafting... all for a space slug. DE really knows how to tire you to death. I'm still hurt from the devastating experience of collecting and leveling 13 affinity fodder weapons. I'll ignore it for the rest of the year and join as crewman if at all. Edited December 17, 2019 by Toran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Bregastor said: I don't get all this uproar tbh. If the game mode is not connected to the rest just don't play it if you don't like it incomplete. With it implemented people can play it and report bug and give them feedback while they release the rest of empyrean. And if you really don't like it you can leave it alone and it won't change your game play. It has potential. Sure. But after saying that the fifth million time... I'm having this uncomfortable taste in my mouth while saying it. I'm giving them feedback. We aren't raging about it hear. Please read carfuly. We tell them with kind of a string tone.... It sucks. That's it. And give the explanations for why it sucks List some of reasons: Bugy as hell Took them 3 years of development (what in this industry actually means to have an AAA title almost ready to be released (DE isn't a small company anymore so no argumentation in that regard please)) No promised connection to the Core mechanics of the game (what is game development wise really bad...) No similar game essence to the rest of the game... What is even more problematic because then it just doesn't feel right Grindy as hell Kinda pay2win mechanics to cheat death or time..... Just why.... Not even half of the things that have been promised to be released with railjack 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 16 Minuten schrieb Gabbynaru: Well, just like with all previous updates, it was just out of curiosity, but, this quickly evolved into playing for fun. Funny, you mentioned above that we're not used to failure in this game, but to my surprise, I didn't mind any of my failed attempts so far. I always felt like I learned something, and with the intrinsic points carrying over even in failure, it didn't feel like I wasted my time either. It just reminds me of, as I said, playing Everspace, which, in case you don't know, is a rogue-lite, so failure is part of the process in that one as well. But step by step, it feels like I'm moving forward, learning and getting better, all while having quite a lot of fun. So, I dunno, they nailed this one for me. That's actually great to hear. Thanks for the response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken-Biryani Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, LOD07 said: It doesn't matter how many bugs are inside it....realsing an update with bugs just because the player base is used to this crap doesn't give a good and reasonable excuse for them to release it like that. Im general they shouldn't have release it like that. We have been waiting 2 years for this. This means they worked on this at least for 3 years now. Visually nothing changed to the first time they showed us Railjack.... This is embarrassing... And here we are people defending it like it's the best Update on the world... Full of bugs, grindy... And most importantly... With no connection yet... I mean... Where is squad link... Kuva loch implementation.... Crew members. Even though that might come soon or whenever... But it is a shame to have a gigantic presentation during Tenno on with a lot of features but on launch give us... Maybe 20%....i mean seriously 3 planets... Around 10 tilesets each... Even though I haven't looked at all of them.... They probably aren't that visually different to each other....so I am really curious.... What took them that long. I would like to know your opinions. Please try to step back cfor a minute and realize what's going on within the update and thfhe time we have been waiting for etc. I am staying away for one whole week. Let things settle. Until then, I can wait, I have waited all year long, so... No problem with a few more days. I will check it out again when they add crews to solo it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaoGarrent Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Genitive said: You can either post in an appropriate section to help the devs find and fix bugs, or make idiotic joke threads in general discussion when you can be sure they won't look for bugs report. If you can't even begin to describe them, why even bother making a thread? Because we can. Cry moar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 7 Minuten schrieb DrivaMain: Aye Finally someone who shares the positive opinion on Empyrean as I. Railjack gives the game a new change of pace, which I like because jumping mindlessly shooting and nuking whole maps kinda get boring for a while. If you really hate this update, Just don't play it and never mention it again and go back to standard warframe gameplay. But because this is an internet forum, I and the other people who like this update can't stop you. The point here is not to leave warframe. We all love it. It's just why playing it when there is no reason to play it. Like I asked Gabbynaru...why are you liking it. Where is your calle new change of pace... This might be true. But where is any kind of connection to the rest of the game. I don't want to play two different games within one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 1 Minute schrieb --C--Nehra: I am staying away for one whole week. Let things settle. Until then, I can wait, I have waited all year long, so... No problem with a few more days. I will check it out again when they add crews to solo it. Fair enough. I am doing the same. Just giving my opinion on what we know so far and what I've seen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 1 Minute schrieb Bregastor: So not agreeing with the you or others is considering being a white knight? Funny how you say you are not raging yet you are ready to jump on others who don't share your opinion. First and last reply to people acting this way, have a nice day. I didn't respond angry on you... I tolerant your opinion. Just want to make clear that leaving warframe by playing another game is bad for warframe economy wise and reputation wise. If you get offended by me calling you a whiteknight. Then I am sorry. Andvi apologize for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XkillsQQNinja Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I have played like 5 missions and already I can't bring myself to play more. Simply boring garbage. Can't believe the devs wasted time on this S#&$. I DONT want to float around in space like a spaceturd. I want to play my WARFRAME. F this content! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 24 Minuten schrieb trst: It would have had bugs regardless of how much time DE took with it. It's practically impossible to test for every possibly interaction, gameplay and hardware wise, or every scenario as a live playerbase. Plus we full well know DE doesn't have a dedicated group of play testers nor a test server to find these earlier. Also since the holiday is coming up and soon DE's offices will be more or less entirely empty for an extended period as a result them pushing out what they have now and patch the bugs was essential to get it out before the year is up. I'm not saying it should be acceptable for there to be bugs or anything but to be 100% realistic it was going to release with them regardless of anything DE did. And regarding all the missing features, well, this is exactly what was expected. As soon as they started talking about the actual development of it we knew they had far larger plans for the system and for a long time we knew it was going to be a layered release. We knew we were getting a fraction of a half-baked product and that we're expecting additional fractions of said product for many updates to come. But why is this acceptable for you? I get your point that they want to push it out to see feedback during vacations... But it doesn't make sense to me... This update felt so important economy wise for warframe that it's sad to see that it did not deliver as hoped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOD07 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 1 Minute schrieb XkillsQQNinja: I have played like 5 missions and already I can't bring myself to play more. Simply boring garbage. Can't believe the devs wasted time on this S#&$. I DONT want to float around in space like a spaceturd. I want to play my WARFRAME. F this content! Faire enough. Even though this is strong language I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test-995 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I like it, and it's a mess of gamebreaking bugs and unpolished aspect, just as every other updates ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaer88 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) We have an Orokin-era space ship that can travel to the far reaches of the cosmos but doesn't have a decent fire suppression system? No wonder the Orokin went extinct. Edited December 13, 2019 by Mikaer88 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananacat89 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) It is pretty fun when it works. Unfortunately I have found bugs every mission. From doors not opening, To not being able to leave ships, to black screens. Lets hope the hotfixes over the next lil while get everything settled proper. This update for me personally really emphasizes the poor archwing gameplay and mechanics though. I think in order for Empyrean to shine the archwings need a complete overhaul. The weapons to. It is very clunky. I had fun last night though. Even with the bugs. Edited December 13, 2019 by bananacat89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bregastor Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, LOD07 said: you get offended by me calling you a whiteknight. Then I am sorry. Andvi apologize for that Is not that I get offended, I hate when people try to "invalidate" others opinion calling them whiteknights. I did not suggest to not play warframe, I just said that if you don't like the new mode because is bugged and unfinished just give it time for them to get feedback and improve/release more. I did not suggest you to leave the game, I just said that you can avoid that mode until is fixed a bit if is unbearable atm to you. Someone said that "if you don't like don't play it" is invalid because it would make them quit warframe cause there is nothing left they like, but i mean that is what I did with WoW. If you don't like the game anymore just quit it, the game can't change completely to appeal you. And yes that is the attitude I use if I don't like a game mode, I leave it because it is not for me. If I like the game mode, I will play it to report things and have it fixed asap and enjoy it even more when it gets fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khazlol Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 PC was always used to beta test. just a reminder 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValinorAtani Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 vor 44 Minuten schrieb DrivaMain: If you really hate this update, Just don't play it and never mention it again and go back to standard warframe gameplay. But because this is an internet forum, I and the other people who like this update can't stop you. Till DE decides to make this crap mandatory for all further progress. Because its DEs new Baby/Vision or call it how you want. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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