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Can something be done about Saryn?

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To be a bit playful.

Why not enjoy that cup of tea that the [Saryn Prime] enabled you to make?

also, Warframe always had this terrible balance problem throughout it's history, from proto-ember, to penta/trinity, to synoid simulor/mirage to Saryn/ignis wraith, and the existence of this imbalance leads to a perception (in me) that this is an "easy game". (probably also due to me running around in the starter level with MR26 gear for its fissure.)

Indeed it's almost embedded int the identity of the game it feels, Warframe must have some cheesy OP tactic that can be used to plow through it's content (and trust me, I'm a vulgar min-maxer), and I think at this point, people kinda just expect it, and personally (especially since I'm a powergamer) I wouldn't want this being patched out.

Although your complaints will probably be fixed when the "new war" comes out, and we get new powerful enemies with non-cheesable powers/durability that can stand up to us. (that is if the playerbase gets there).

But to answer the OP, I would vote "No" about fixing up this broken OP warframe culture, since well, It's kinda what I go to warframe for -to brainlessly plow through content-..

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Some people don't wanna work for an anasa.

I empathise with them.

You will too one day. Just enjoy the ride.

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5 minutes ago, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

This just happens from time to time, man, and you just gotta grin and bear it or move on: in time, though, you might be that Saryn... It happens, believe me, but if this left you feeling deflated, perhaps seek out game types other than sorties?

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Maybe join a clan and play with them instead of random public games.

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After so many hours in this game I like to see a Saryn so that I can go half AFK and switch to chrome when Saryn is doing the job for me. Most of the time it's my Umbra instead.

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Welcome to the nuke meta. As it has been going, I wouldn't expect it to change tomorrow.

But ya know, many players get bored by playing nukes, and many game modes don't rely to much on nuking.

Sometimes it's nice to whip out a saryn and nobrain missions time to time.

And sometimes it can be nice to chill back and let saryn press 4.

But yeah, either embrace it or leave it. Not to be rude, just that it's very unlikly to change soon.

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12 minutes ago, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

Because that's what Saryns do. Please stop complaining, because that's the reason why Ember has been nerfed so hard into the ground that she can't even survive anything higher than level 20 missions

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7 minutes ago, (PS4)drpunk-yo said:

Some people don't wanna work for an anasa.

I empathise with them.

You will too one day. Just enjoy the ride.

I get what you mean but I'll just play a different game when I get to that point.

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il y a 4 minutes, Wyrmius_Prime a dit :

There's honestly no point in nerfing any other Warframes until Mesa gets nerfed.

Lol no.

Mesa's 4 is a channeled ability, is stops you from moving and doesn't go through walls.

Saryn (and equinox you could argue) don't suffer from any of these. Thus, I'd say she's much higher nerf priority than Mesa.

That said, I don't think a nerf would be a good solution. I don't know what would, but a nerf wouldn't mean much until you nerf ALL nukes into the ground. And then, there would always be something that nobrains more than the test. Pretty hair pulling problem indeed

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The best way to play in a group is to play with a premade or just get used to having to deal with frames or playstyles you don't enjoy.

Disclaimer; yes I am a Saryn main, no I don't play a nuke meta build - I thought it was boring (that doesnt' mean those who do enjoy it should be deprived of their fun).

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15 minutes ago, anonymous14z said:

Indeed it's almost embedded int the identity of the game it feels, Warframe must have some cheesy OP tactic that can be used to plow through it's content (and trust me, I'm a vulgar min-maxer), and I think at this point, people kinda just expect it, and personally (especially since I'm a powergamer) I wouldn't want this being patched out.

This is quite literally what got me hooked onto the game when i first heard about it back in 2014.....even today its still fun, yeah some things SHOULD be looked at (enemy armor scaling.........), but even then I feel like a hekin god.....something I dont get with many other games.

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Not without the fanbase exploding into a pillar of salt.

...Though honestly that's just about 20% more salt than usual around here so it might be an unnoticeable change.

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Because for the most part Saryn is a brainless Frame (like the Pyro in team fortress 2 for example (funny how it remind ignis wraith)).

Of cours we can always improve gameplay while searching a bit deeper but this kind of people are still pretty rare (like people using something else than globe when playing frost).


So yeah , some people ask for a Saryn nerf , some other ask for buff other frame instead , and some people don't care about what we call "meta".
i'm on the last (and i'm not sure what it should be done between first and second option) , i play frost since 2013 and my main weapon is a glaxion (without riven) , when i match with something like a Saryn , well...i go make a coffee...

Of course something must be done , but i don't know what.

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25 minutes ago, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player

oh honey, you have seen nothing if you think Saryn is problematic in the "I got nothing left to do" department

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Yeahhhh, Sadly that is just what happens sometimes. Had that for a mobile defense a few days ago, walked in with my Equinox ready to try and play the game a bit, and watched the Saryn click 4 rapidly ontop of the point for ten minutes before leaving. Granted, I know that's a bit hypocritical as I was playing Maimquinox, but still! At least I have to kill a few things and have a few things die in my aura before I blow up everything....

The main issue is Saryn ins just so ingrained in the society of warframe at this point, that they even made a game mode just for her (and like, two other frames, that being ESO). They already tried reworking her once before, but that just changed her from 4 spam, to 1, 4 spam (no mater how many words you try to put in her other abilities). She isn't the only nuke frame in the game, But her, and Mesa, are the main two most oppressive ones currently. Mesa at least needs to turn their cursor in a 360 degree arch though...

There have been people complaining about it for a while, and there will likely be tell the end of time, because the people that dont want the game to provide challenge/blindly defend against nerfs to the bitter death (mostly do to the fact that DE has yet to nerf a frame into 'relevence' but only 'into the ground' but I digress), and doing nothing is a heck of a lot easier then doing something and watching even MORE people get up in arms that there nuketastic playstyle is no longer as effective as it used to be...

Would it be better for the game overall to try and balance out the nuke behind mechanics that require a bit more than 'press 4 to win?' yes, most definitely, is it a heck of a lot harder and will result in a bunch of people trying to burn DE at the stack for even DARing to try such a thing? also yes. So, as stated above, your options are grin and bare it, play solo, or play with people you know that also want to enjoy themselves and haven't gotten to the 'Sunk cost fallacy' of this game, where they put to many hours to feel that they can leave, but still dont want to have to do any effort to do anything. 

(not to say you cant trivialize anything in the game with any other frame, but to me, I feel there's a difference between 'I am so strong I'm destroying everything and engaged!' verses 'I'm so strong I click a button a few times and go make a sandwich while doing it' I, like the former, but most people that are still playing this game for any length of time past hour 2000? tend to be the later...and again, will defend it to the death...) 

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Well, you're not exactly wrong.

She has had major adjustments that requires far more effort for the damage output she has compared to before. One problem is that the required effort isn't exactly proportionate since she was brilliantly designed in a way that it can be mostly accomplished through natural gameplay with her kit.

The main problem, balance and scaling in the current build of the game is a perpetual state of garbage, where Nuke frames can be used as a substitute for just about any other frame except tanks in certain content where tanks are the only right answer.

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This is simply not true. And i'm ashamed you come here after going afk and making a tea and then have the balls to complain of not getting any kills when you don't work for it.

I was just recently playing a kuva fortress survival as harrow with only a saryn in my team. After 40 mins she ended up with like 200 kills more than me, which is not surprising considering she's a frame dedicated for DPS. I still did get my fair share of a thousand kills though. As long as you have well modded weapons and are not too lazy about going and shooting stuff, you should never have problems in getting kills. But if it takes you over 10 seconds to kill a single heavy unit then i can see how a Saryn can leave somebody completely dry.

The point in this game is to get stronger and stronger to a point of not having to rely on DPS frames in order to deal DPS. It's up to you if you wanna reach this point or...leave because a damage frame is doing what they're supposed to do.

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If you really hate a frame that much there are three easy steps you can take right now~

Hit Escape

Click Abort Mission 

Find new rando-pub group. 

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Saryn can bore the hell out of me in Elite Sanctuary, but I'm against nerfing. Instead I rather see new units along the line of the Bursa and Nox, but them not nerfed down because they make youtube non survival builds cry a river...Those units need to be able to withstand the ultimate and give pause to Mesa, Saryn, and Volt...so the other frames or players have reason being there...

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I don't find myself using 4 as much as other Saryns. I use Toxic Lash and Spores more often. The high damage and kill count at the end of the mission doesn't matter to me. The way I look at it, laying down DPS is a role just as valuable (and viable) as healing or buffing frames- it helps move the mission along more smoothly and is more about teamwork than individual achievement. I am a bloody anarcho-socialist, though 😉.

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There's a lot of ways and frames that can nuke the world.  A very helpful thing to a saryn is be a speed Nova.  If you want to compete for damage with the saryn volt is very competitive for corpus maps.  Mesa can beat her in more open areas.  Khora can beat her in smaller maps.  Equinox can be competitive and others too.  Ember can beat her on low-level enemies even post ember Nerf.

 

Different warframes have different roles and abilities for example your icon is a trinity, killing is not her specialty, she's more for keeping the team alive and full of energy quite helpful on more difficult content, not as much in low to mid lvl fodder enemies.

In the past when it came to nerfing frames like this the thing they wanted to nerf is completely passive kill skills, like old peacekeeper or old world on fire.  Saryn has to spread an infection starting with one enemy the dmg of the first infection is small and grows slowly but degrades armor and it amplfies her secondary infection, miasma.  it's not hit one button and wait if you want to suppress the whole map you gotta work for it.  That's generally what they wanted they're okay with frames being powerful they just don't want "set it and forget it" skills one button then go make a sandwich comeback everything's dead.

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Saryn is fine, she only excels on certain maps/game modes.

Honestly having a saryn in your group is a god send if you're focus farming or leveling up something.

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38 minutes ago, MrRixter said:

I'm a fairly new player and today I got matched with a Saryn at my sortie. It was the first time that I felt bored in the game. There was nothing for me to do, everything was dying instantly all over the map so I just went afk and made a cup of tea. Whats the point of me trying to improve my frames and get all the mods, arcanes etc, when a frame exists which can nuke the whole map with no effort at all? I apologise if I'm wrong but from what I saw was a Saryn barely even moving.

I feel quite deflated right now and confused on how something so broken is allowed to exist in the game. Bare in my mind I'm quite new so I'm not aware if there are other broken frames, its just this Saryn was the first one I saw.

I'm not going to give you any playful answer nor joke around it.

Some frames are so extremely overpowered beyond any possible reason and we have no idea why. That is the gist of it

Many players will tell you that is not true and will try to sell DE's line that "every frame can do equally well in any situation and there is no perfect frame for a job". Absolute lie as there are a handful of frames that can dps in an outlandish manner, crowd control, get damage reduction and heal while others struggle to keep up with even a single task. Welcome to warframe

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