The overreaction to plague star's cancellation for this year really shines a light on certain parts of this community

[(PSN)ChaosTheNerd]

1 minute ago, Yakhul said:

I was on the dark about all of this, only heard rumors about plague star, the forma reward, etc. But thanks to you, and a few videos I saw on the matter, I now have a more clear view of the situation, and personally, let me praise your very good use of words.

Yes, Plague Star wont be coming back, THIS YEAR. I did re watched the HomeTime stream, and never I heard Pablo or Reb saying that plague star was canceled forever, only a few remarks about the Forma reward, and some possibly new rewards they have on plan.

Kind of funny, seeing a lot of the videos out there from Warframe content creators, use click bait titles such as "Plague Star Canceled" or "No more Plague Star?" and all i hear are just speculations on what seems to be, not enough evidence to prove their point, only the words of Pablo and Reb during that 20 second segment of HomeTime#25.

What makes the videos worse is by looking into the comment sections were people are sadly convinced of this and the lie that "de cancelled plague star because they were running out of money" I wish I was joking when I say that was a legit thing that was getting numerous likes on. This behavior only encourages people to not think or cite the evidence for themselves which is incredibly frustrating.

[(PSN)ChaosTheNerd]

40 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

Permanent or not the fact that DE doesn't understand the events popularity as evidenced by the response reguarding forma, is just another mark showing how out of touch with their player base they have gotten.

 

De sure as hell understands why plague star is so popular, hell rebecca herself mentioned why people run plague star so much (for forma)

40 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

 

Additionally everyone pointing out "this year" often forget that DE has outright removed content on numerous occasions despite clear benefit and interest in that content. 

There are people who have been around long enough to see promises broken and turned back on time and time again. Can you really blame people for this response to a unexplained absence of a otherwise reguarly scheduled event?

Forma is the biggest time gate for upgrade progression, dojo building, and mastery rank. Newer players might never seem to have a use for it but any player above mr16 is too many uses.

No one has forgotten that de has removed events/gamemodes in the past, but that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

40 minutes ago, (PS4)ForNoPurpose said:

 

Forma is the biggest time gate for upgrade progression, dojo building, and mastery rank. Newer players might never seem to have a use for it but any player above mr16 is too many uses.

Ehhh I somewhat agree that forma has a bit of a time gate (even though there always to quickly get forma already)

[(XBOX)CaptainSeth5423]

1 hour ago, 16Bitman said:

I wish this community would make more of an effort to look for the source of the information they keep repeating or are even being upset about.

 

For years people repeated stuff like:

"No Warframe will be Primed after Vauban" Made up Source: Devstream I didn't watch so I can't tell you the #number, but totally happened.

 

Instead of just believing something some rando on region (or even your favorite youtuber), ask for the source.

It was confirmed on home time with Rebb and Pablo 

[16Bitman]

25 minutes ago, (XB1)CaptainSeth5423 said:

It was confirmed on home time with Rebb and Pablo 

What was confirmed on that stream?

[Loza03]

37 minutes ago, (XB1)CaptainSeth5423 said:

It was confirmed on home time with Rebb and Pablo 

That it wasn't coming back this year.

Not that it was cancelled forever outright, unless my watching of it was dramatically misinterpreted.

[Veridian]

Last PS there were 2 prevalent oppinions.

1. I hate it.

2. I hate it, but it gave forma.

Now all of a sudden it would seem the worst event in the game, consisting of 2 mobile defenses (one of the more hated game types) and Lephantis (not on top of the boss list himself) suddenly became many's favorite.

Also, it's way worse than cracking relics.

[SneakyErvin]

2 hours ago, Jarriaga said:

On top of what the OP said, this highlights another problem about the community: They don't care about actually playing the game at all. They only care about what they get for playing the game. 

Sure, it's a looter; loot is a key component of the experience. But if the reason why those  people are upset boils down to "I won't get free stuff this year" then they are way past the point of finding enjoyment in the game itself and maybe should move on from Warframe.

We shouldnt only blame the community though. Since this actually highlights that the content isnt self sustaining through the mechanics and possible enjoyment of it. There is absolutely zero reason to do PS without the forma rewards since the gameplay itself isnt rewarding or fun out of a combat mechanic perspective. It is a slog of mobile defense, crap escort and a pushover boss that involves zero threat or fun mechanics. This same thing goes for SSpear too. I will have zero reason to do it next time around (if there is one) if only the old rewards stay, the event just isnt rewarding on its own to just play for fun.

So I very much understand the players that react over formas possibly being removed if PS comes around again, or if a similar event pops elsewhere (on Deimos). Unless of course DE manage to pull something increadible off, an event that has a replay value simply due to the design of the content. Which I think has a 0.00000000000000000000000000001% chance of happening, not because it is DE doing the content, but simply because no games has managed to do it in PvE content ever.

[Robolaser]

Perhaps lecturing people, demeaning, calling them names, and being overall dismissive towards their concerns, objections and differing opinions, isn't the most effective way to convince them to change their mind? Also, you seem to be confusing conspiracy with conspiracy theories.

[(PSN)Yggranya]

2 hours ago, Jarriaga said:

On top of what the OP said, this highlights another problem about the community: They don't care about actually playing the game at all. They only care about what they get for playing the game. 

Sure, it's a looter; loot is a key component of the experience. But if the reason why those  people are upset boils down to "I won't get free stuff this year" then they are way past the point of finding enjoyment in the game itself and maybe should move on from Warframe.

What you meant to say was: ALL MMO communities only care about stuff and getting more of it. Cue raids. If you can put some "difficulty" crap on it, then they can also feel superior that they suffered through it.

I say "suffered through" because none of them want to just do it for the sake of it, they just want more, and more importantly, better stuff than everyone else. "Difficulty" is not the main point for most people, that is for sure.

[Hierarch777]

Never understood why Plague Star is so popular, maybe it's the forma, I don't know. I personally am not a big fan of it. I enjoyed Scarlet Spear more. 

However, the Acolytes were removed when Deimos dropped and the mods were moved to Deimos bounties. I couldn't be happier, Acolytes were irritating as f*ck. 

But aside from that, I don't believe they will remove Plague Star. Too many people will lose their sh*t and DE would bend the knee soon afterwards, due to the inevitable swarm of rants.

I think they will just move the infested zaws and exodias to Father's store. 

On an unrelated note, I'd really like a Railjack-only event. You wouldn't need to build your own, you could just join a crew on someone else's ship. 

[ShogunGunshow]

I mean, is there something else that's replacing it this year?

[Numerikuu]

4 minutes ago, ShogunGunshow said:

I mean, is there something else that's replacing it this year?

We'll just have to wait and see, though tbh I wouldn't be mad if nothing replaced it due to Covid-19. People don't seem to understand just how much of an impact that has had on gaming development this year. Hell, even Cyberpunk had to shave content off due to it in order to reach the release deadline, and Capcom had to shave some of their MHW content releases down as well, and that's just those two. Difference being though is they have a lot more resources than DE, yet were still negatively impacted. DE have made the best of a pretty garbo situation this year, and I applaud them for that.

[ShogunGunshow]

2 minutes ago, Numerikuu said:

We'll just have to wait and see, though tbh I wouldn't be mad if nothing replaced it due to Covid-19. People don't seem to understand just how much of an impact that has had on gaming development this year. Hell, even Cyberpunk had to shave content off due to it in order to reach the release deadline, and Capcom had to shave some of their MHW content releases down as well, and that's just those two. Difference being though is they have a lot more resources than DE, yet were still negatively impacted. DE have made the best of a pretty garbo situation this year, and I applaud them for that.

I mean, if that's the case, why ... not ... just run Plague Star again?

Have they given a reasoning? Seems pretty harmless to run.

[Kaotyke]

Just now, ShogunGunshow said:

I mean, if that's the case, why ... not ... just run Plague Star again?

Have they given a reasoning? Seems pretty harmless to run.

The theory I'm running with is that they will be putting Plague Zaws and their Arcanes on Deimos along with the Infested Kitguns soon enough.

So they dont have a lot of things to put in the Nakak shop atm, which is why they wont be launching it this year.

[Numerikuu]

2 minutes ago, ShogunGunshow said:

I mean, if that's the case, why ... not ... just run Plague Star again?

Have they given a reasoning? Seems pretty harmless to run.

I believe it may have something to do with them moving the rewards to Deimos. Could be they plan on doing some sort of event involving their new planet perhaps?

[Voltage]

DE has a history of "putting something on hold" only for it to be indefinitely forgotten about. Don't blame players for a bad trend happening for years and causing implication. I don't know about you, but when DE says something like what they said about Plague Star, I don't expect to see it for a few years. Look at Trials, Dark Sectors, etc.

This is just a meta complaint towards players with a pessimistic view of DE's language when putting content on the back burner.

Plague Star won't be coming back THIS YEAR, but I doubt it will be back next year. I'll be surprised if it does, but expecting it to is just asking to be burned.

It's not an overreaction if this has happened multiple times before with a negative outcome. lol.

[(PSN)robotwars7]

the way I see it, yes, there is some Overreaction, but a lot of the concern regarding Plague Star does come from a legitimate place: when they took trials out, they said they'd put them back, it's been how many years? Dark Sectors? all I've ever known regarding them is the Armistice. about the only thing that's been gone for years that came back I know of was Primed Chamber, and look at the reaction THAT got. DE are notorious for adding and forgetting, and taking out and forgetting, and basically just.. forgetting. I don't think it's done willfully or out of ignorance; more like the moment they drop something they start on another thing, and then another, and eventually the thing that was dropped or taken out to be reworked becomes but a distant memory. there's probably moments where they see us and go "oh yeah X needed a revisit/rework" I must get around to that!" and then never do, because they forget.

point is, if DE take something out, there's a good chance it might never come back, so there is a chance that Plague Star might be gone forever. it wouldn't surprise me. What DE need to do is make a list of old things that people want reworked, and once whatever their newest creation is gets pushed out the door, they need to turn to that list and look at that. it would be nice for them to do a pattern of old > new > old > new> old > new. with an actual structure like this we could predict their direction and get excited, both for new things and finding out what old system will get reworked after, and those always wanting one thing won't have to wait indefinitely for what they want.

personally I'll be fine if Plague Star is gone, though not getting to fight Hemocyte with my Necramech is a slight bummer. it could be gone, or it could be getting reworked, or it could just come back as it is. whatever DE choose to do, we won't know the outcome for sure until next year.

 

[ShogunGunshow]

2 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

The theory I'm running with is that they will be putting Plague Zaws and their Arcanes on Deimos along with the Infested Kitguns soon enough.

So they dont have a lot of things to put in the Nakak shop atm, which is why they wont be launching it this year.

Ah.

Gee I sure hope that zaws get more weapon classes added to them, it's kinda lame that kitguns keep getting more and more parts while zaws have barely been touched in... what, years?

[(PSN)Madurai-Prime]

4 hours ago, Robolaser said:

Perhaps lecturing people, demeaning, calling them names, and being overall dismissive towards their concerns, objections and differing opinions, isn't the most effective way to convince them to change their mind? Also, you seem to be confusing conspiracy with conspiracy theories.

Kinda like the  "feedback" on the game is lecturing DE, demeaning them, calling them names and being overall dismissive towards their decisions? 

Most feedback is "this is trash", "what's with the nerfs? Stop doing that", "whatsup with rebs hair? Haha", "de you guys dont know what you're doing your games gonna die if you dont listen to us", "here's some feedback that's completely irrational and would never be implemented in the game no matter what"

 Kinda like that?

[_Anise_]

8 hours ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

I think they said they were going to work out some other kind of event or thing were they were still going to have access to some of the rewards though?

[ghoti0315]

I don't want plague star being removed, it is a somewhat fun event after all.
That being said, I never heard of them saying Plague star gonna be removed forever, nor the forma removal from it.

And from what I heard they are working on some event or some stuff and they are gonna add some reward into it, but whatever

Even though I am expecting plague star on September or October so that I can kill that lephantis thing with my necramech

[844448]

3 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said:

when they took trials out, they said they'd put them back, it's been how many years?

With our insane power, how are you going to design a trial (raid) that isn't bringing things from here to there, standing on correct plates to break boss invincibility, and crap used in other games as the so called raid? Not to mention setting the game to make it not trivial to some warframes and not impossible to beat to the rest

Can you design it?

[DrivaMain]

6 hours ago, Voltage said:

Look at Trials, Dark Sectors, etc.

I doubt DE will pull the plug on plague star. Raids and Dark Sectors have an extremely lower amount of playerbase engagement than PS, so DE can just safely retire them without any community outrage. Also Raids were a buggy mess and it drains too much dev resources for so little gain. Of course retiring it is a no brainer bussiness move.

It will return. Besides, Plague Star is a good way to draw quitting players back. Look at January, when PS arrived warframe daily player count increases significantly from mid 30ks to 60-70ks.

 

[OniDax]

11 hours ago, (PS4)ChaosTheNerd said:

Mainly the ridiculous overreaction from the community and how extra these people are.

Whether it be for certain (well warranted) nerfs, or content removals, the way this community responds is that of a spoiled child

Plague Star is not coming back this year, but that does NOT mean the event is cancelled FOREVER. 

Seriously this type of hyper excessive anger and cynicism is so vitriolic that its disappointing.

What's even worse is the assumptions and conspiracies going around that because de is under a new company that they are somehow influencing the game. Now i don't know how people are gullible enough to fall for such fearmongering nonsense, or the fact that people are spreading this rumor around without any factual evidence or sources, but when you have content creators that spread such false rumors and bad faith criticism, the question of how people can fall for this really turns into whos dumb enough to not look into the source to see if DE themselves have said plague star is not coming back indefinitely. 

Its incredibly frustrating to see people reciting dishonest claims and inaccurate sources when "calling out DE" and it doesn't stop with this whole plague star controversy, ive witnessed numerous times where people use the incorrect citations when talking about the legitimate wrong doings that DE has done. I want DE to properly be critiqued because they are FAR from perfect or any of that crap, but if your one of those people that use bad faith criticisms or the endless insufferable "DE bad" crap then you should not be asking or wondering why DE does not listen to us when you over filter places like this with such innane prattle.

You probably wouldn't have this severe of a reaction if the game wasn't designed around loot and item acquisition. If the gameplay itself was more engaging, and people cared more about the core gameplay experience than about what reward items they're missing out on, you wouldn't have this "extra" reaction. But when the core gameplay experience is so bland (yeah, the core gameplay of shooting guns and swinging blades is quite bland), players look forward to the new/rare/timed-exclusive items because they're new/rare/timed-exclusive and when those items aren't available and are gone for a long time, those players will be upset.

[(PSN)DoctorWho_90250]

Bleh, deleted. 

Disagree with poster. Too tired to deal with drama. 

bye bye.