(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Curious I just read they are also refunding mats and creds... Because they want more players to play? Objectively Railjack is still a mess. DE still has A LOT of work to do. Someone should really tell DE that lowering the cost to play a mess doesn't make it any less of a mess. Or in other words, you can roll a dog turd in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly donut. Edited March 1, 2020 by (XB1)YoungGunn82 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadwire Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Maybe it got to do with the next quest. Not having access to railjack. Meant you cant do the quest. Or maybe something else 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierlak Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dreadwire said: Or maybe something else Yeah, the shockingly low participation in RJ now. And since DE put all their eggs in the RJ basket...they are pretty close to public panic mode. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 They tell you why. Why: Upon Review, stats show truly the only people that saw Rising Tide to completion were our veterans, which was originally our intent to design content for veteran players. However, to sustain the cost of future development and events like Scarlet Spear, accessibility is key and we have to adjust the barriers to entry for Railjack. If you want to improve a system and you cant do it all at once, what the hell do you expect otherwise. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)YoungGunn82 Posted March 1, 2020 Author Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Firetempest said: They tell you why. Why: Upon Review, stats show truly the only people that saw Rising Tide to completion were our veterans, which was originally our intent to design content for veteran players. However, to sustain the cost of future development and events like Scarlet Spear, accessibility is key and we have to adjust the barriers to entry for Railjack. If you want to improve a system and you cant do it all at once, what the hell do you expect otherwise. I read that. Still seems a little short sighted. I mean why was it taylored just towards veterans? What does DE considered a vet? I seriously don't think lowering the cost is the most needed thing in the railjack system right now. The whole system is a bit borked and objectively; fundamentally a mess. But lowering the cost to play it should help? Edited March 1, 2020 by (XB1)YoungGunn82 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dreadwire said: Maybe it got to do with the next quest. Not having access to railjack. Meant you cant do the quest. Or maybe something else which absolutely sucks, they are forcing players to play their content or not see anymore, aka rising tide railjack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, (XB1)YoungGunn82 said: Someone should really tell DE that lowering the cost to play a mess doesn't make it any less of a mess. No, but it does make it more likely that people will even bother investing in the mess to play it at all. A large number of players likely looked at that 6 million credit cost and just said "Nope, not even gonna bother" which means that it drove away potential players on that alone, the severely mixed reception also didn't help, but a mixed reception on top of a large "Spam Index runs" time investment is a recipe for making people avoid even trying the new content. That's why even long running MMOs like WoW now have "Skip to x level" options, because the sheer time/resource investment is a massive turn-off to potential newcomers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoggDog117 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 They brought up the why in the devstream. Essentially, DE saw that mostly veteran players had railjacks, and they decided the high resource cost and time commitment to build one was unaccommodating to the average player. I know plenty of people who saw the cost of the first railjack part and gave up, so that made sense. And yes, they absolutely want more players to play the content they created... It's odd to bash a change for this reason. DE does have a lot of work to do with Railjack, but with this resource change is also a large list of Railjack bug fixes. It isn't everything, but this new resource cost will be launched into a better situation than those that put in the original cost got. The team has shown that they are improving Railjack's content based on the community's reaction, while we don't have a list of fixes just yet it's important to remember that every patch since Empyrean's rocky release has made fixes and changes to Railjacks. Eventually Railjack will be a solid experience, could be the next update or could be months down the line, but it'll get there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Sk0rp1on Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Maybe there’s more than one thing wrong with railjack, and they’re improving all of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schilds Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The first reason DE gave was that the quest had a low completion rate. The second reason is that the game is piling up tons of stuff (perhaps too much) to do for players just starting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anandil2 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) The idea i believe was that initially rj construction (research, quest, farming, waiting...) was meant for veterans as a way to sink resources, partly so it felt important lorewise(first railjacks in how many years) and it had some rewarding feeling to get. BUuuut overall that doesn't make any sansa now because it has brought new players, others who might not have the resources or time, and that limits how big they want the next operation to be, as in all (or most) of warframe fighting against the sentient menace On my part i don't want any of the resources back except maybe the credits, the drones sure give them to me, but the rest meh Edited March 1, 2020 by Anandil2 forgot something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xyngrr Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I had to grind a bit but not much to make my railjack. standard resources were a non-issue and it was the new resources that had no good volume source that took a bit of time. And it was a small bit, I was easily ready for the next step as soon as the last component was complete. For me, it was not a trek to the andes to commune with the gods to build, but I recognize that just seeing the numbers and time involved was enough to cause many newer folks to decline the attempt. The reduction in costs is a good thing, as is the refund of the resources consumed. I see it as an iterative step in unchoking the path to the larger vision of the game they are trying to construct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Erudite Prime Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, (XB1)YoungGunn82 said: alittle short sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Shaun-T-Wilson Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 The 6 million price tag was putting non vets off, most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, kevoisvevo said: which absolutely sucks, they are forcing players to play their content or not see anymore, aka rising tide railjack. Better to be forced to use a ship than the damn stupid operator again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 43 minutes ago, Anandil2 said: On my part i don't want any of the resources back except maybe the credits, the drones sure give them to me, but the rest meh Agreed, what the heck am I going to do with 10 argon crystals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 TBH they should just hand out the Railjack to everyone for free if they want to invest development time into it. It certainly has potential but if only the most dedicated players can unlock their very own RJ it will not go very far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_of_Psi Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Kierlak said: Yeah, the shockingly low participation in RJ now. And since DE put all their eggs in the RJ basket...they are pretty close to public panic mode. can't agree more, the whole update of "Fixing things that should've been there Day 1" sounds like they where losing more then just RJ Players. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken-Biryani Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 hours ago, (XB1)YoungGunn82 said: Curious I just read they are also refunding mats and creds... Because they want more players to play? Objectively Railjack is still a mess. DE still has A LOT of work to do. Someone should really tell DE that lowering the cost to play a mess doesn't make it any less of a mess. Or in other words, you can roll a dog turd in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly donut. Even if they return it threefold... Still not gonna touch it again. 😅🙂✌🏼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken-Biryani Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Also don't forget that just like primed chamber, they are dropping all kinds of arcanes via an event to bring back the clout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 its not the amount of investment, railjack just doesnt seem interesting. to me its like frame fighter, lunaro, flappy zephyr, wyrmius, that guitar minigame. simply meh and theres tons of better spaceship games if i wanna play those, railjack definitely not one of the good ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senaphur Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) as for what --C-- Nehra said. I for my part can't give RJ any attention, its in my eyes a different game, doesn't matter if they wanna make it all shiny and interessting. To me it's still a different game built into this one with story quests tied to it that forces us to play that content. I'll stay away for it as long as i can most likely. They are dropping lots of arcanes in the next event, because they also doubled the required ammount of arcanes and nerfed the good/decent ones to poop, just look at Arcane Guardian, thats supposed to help new'ish people out with surivability imo. Now it takes more than double the ammount of arcanes (they said 2 R3 +1 R0) to max it from 0 to 5 and it's WORSE than live client. Bringing us Arcanes, but nerfing them is not the way to bring us old people back into their new content. For all i care i'll do ESO and Sortie for the rest of my days, but i'm not touching that content until it's properly done. Sorry i play this game for more than 1300 ingame hours in playstation and then later PC, but i'm not really a forum kinda guy. I just miss Warframe2018 more than i enjoy 2020's iteration, except the melee rework. That one is well done. Edited March 1, 2020 by Senaphur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 According to workshop their reasoning was due to the number of people who completed Rising Tide, not how many people are playing Railjack. The silly thing here is that they intentionally made Rising Tide 100% optional to anyone who didn't care about customizing their own Railjack as anyone can still queue up for the mission without their own. But considering the main story has put us as a singular main character whatever quest follows Erra has to be a solo quest, as well as any other story/event that justifies solo use of a Railjack. Meaning it still had to be mandatory for players to finish their own anyways. So they set themselves up for it to have a low completion rate by making it entirely optional right now while knowing it would be mandatory anyways. Which most players should have expected anyways but still, those resource costs weren't cheap and the next time I need to run the Index will be far too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRTE_Ret5o Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Maybe they expected that more players had their railjack by now, or maybe they need more railjacks for scarlet spear. But who i am to know, i dont work for them XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcrimsonlegendx Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Most times of the day when I try to join a railjack squad, every node tells me that there is nobody playing and to host my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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